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43095703 over 2 years ago

Saw fix me tag on it when this change was added. No, it is not disused at all. Kaitseliit is using it, Kaitsevägi is using it for training all year round. This area maybe could be changed to military usage but it is definetly not abandoned or disused.

134149762 over 2 years ago

Hello!
I am a bit confused now then because whenever foot=designated and bicycle=designated happen to be used on jalgratta- ja jalgtee at the same time, it is converted to cycle way which is incorrect since we dont have cycle ways in Estonia besides few kilometers in very specific places. At the same time using same tags on informal path, rada, kõnnitee, jalgtee etc does not convert them to cycle way or jalgratta- ja jalgtee.
Checked today there that at least some of them are indeed jalgratta- ja jalgtee but then I dont see point in using dedicated tags of bicycle=designated and foot=designated because when using jalgratta- ja jalgtee as a way, it does not have the bicycle=designated tag by default and adding it coverts it to cycle way which is not correct name for the way and does not really represent what in reality it is.
Hence the jalgtee and using tags bicycle=designated and foot=designated.
Not a problem to change highway=footway to something else but its a bit confusing when the tags change the way into something that is complitely different in reality. Is it just OSM quirks? Because of such quirk I think I made the changes accordingly

133481849 over 2 years ago

Unusta ära... Kõigest ID kaardirakenduse redigeerimise tööriist teeb huvitavaid nalju...

133481849 over 2 years ago

See tee on jalgratta- ja jalgtee, mitte jalgrattatee nagu ta hetkel muudetud on. Meil jätkuvalt Tallinnas on heal juhul 9km reaalseid jalgrattateid kokku. Ülejäänud on vanad head "kergliiklusteed" ehk jalgratta- ja jalgteed...

132928261 over 2 years ago

There are many more trails in there according to this (1.8km, 2.7km, 3km, 5km, 5.4km, 9km):
https://terviserajad.ee/rajad/kardla-palukula-palade-terviserada/

Added 2.7km path and relation.

Same thing on heat map:
https://www.strava.com/heatmap#15.97/22.80057/58.99033/hot/all

134425254 over 2 years ago

Avastasin siin Käsmu kandis infotahvleid vaadates, et paljudel tahvlitel on kakskeelne pealkiri. Siin aga tuleb tõdeda, et name on parem, sest name on võimalik mitmekeelseks teha ehk name:en name:lt, name:rus jne. Board:title paraku ei saa ja jääb siis ükskeelseks. Siin aga tekib veike probleem siis, mille tõttu kaldun name kasutamiseks. Kui just ei ole teada kuidas board:title:en või muud sarnast teha.

134425254 over 2 years ago

Näikse, et pole mingile konkreetsele kokkuleppele jõunud sel teemal konkreetselt nende siltide puhul. Tõstatab teema foorumisse, et leida ühine kuldne kesktee üles?

134425254 over 2 years ago

Antud hetkel ei ole tagging for the renderer olukord nagu kirjeldasid ala Kõpu tuletorni suunaviidale sama tekst kirja panna name lahtrisse, et siis see renderdus oleks ka kaardil olemas ja näeks välja nagu dublikaat Kõpu tuletorni tegelikust asukohast.
Antud hetkel iga säärane infosilt on tõesti nagu teos omaette, lihtsalt nendel kõigil on ühine nimetus 100 lugu matkateelt ja igal sildil on siis teksti pealkiri erinev koos erineva tekstiga. Lisaks nagu olen aru saanud, siis need sada lugu on üks osa matkateest, mis peaksid moodustama koos matkateega mingil määral terviku.
Samas nõustun, et pelgalt name ja board:title võib selles kontekstis jätta muljet, et tegemist ühe ja sama asjaga.

Kas on ehk mingit näidet olemas üle Eesti või ehk ka mõnest muust riigist, kus võis olla sarnane olukord, et vaadata kuidas seal see asi lahendati ära mõistlikult?

134425254 over 2 years ago

Selle järjekorra numbri võiks vast siis juba ka lisada, et asi arusaadavamaks muutks ka kaardil. Näiteks name="100 lugu matkateelt | 1" või mingil muul viisil. Peaks vist ühe scriptiga saama seda lisada ka, sest kõik nad eraldi lisatud ja ajaliselt järjestikuliselt kah.

134425254 over 2 years ago

Okey, change it up then as you want. I'll continue mapping the remaining boards with same scheme.

134425254 over 2 years ago

I guess the URL should just be https://rmk100.ee/? If so, fine by me, only 85 boards to update :P Last 15 I'll correct URL depending on how you would like to do it. Let me know so that last 15 boards URL wont be in need of updating.

134425254 over 2 years ago

Well, this is how the board actually looks like. All of the 100 boards have exact same styling:
https://et.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail:100_lugu_matkateelt_-_Kautla.jpg

The 100 lugu matkateelt is the class of the boards in this case. There are 100 boards with short texts of historical importance. Its not just a title of the board, nor its just one board with such title, its a class or collection of board texts. Basically like a book's main title and then you have titles of each chapter. Of course you can say that the book has a title and each chapter has not title but a book subtitle, but at the same time you can say that the book has a name and each chapter within the book has a title, not subtitle of the book.

Looking at the OSM wiki about name=*:
osm.wiki/Key:name

"As a rule of thumb, the primary name would be the most obvious name of the feature, the one that end users expect data consumers to expose in a label or other interface element."

In this case the "100 lugu matkateelt" is the most prominent name of these boards. As I said, its not just some board or street sign, its the class of boards in this case. Like a book title.
Since its not just one board but 100 boards, its good to have them not as separate entities but as one collection of boards with board:title=* as each board text titles.

Then again, lets take a book example. Book title is the book name. What is the difference between title and name in this case? Same thing with this type of boards. You have a board name and you have a board title, which one is the name and which one is the title? Remember, they are not separate entities right now, the 100 stories are one single entity, like a book with its stories.

Another perspective: Looking at the map and seeing "100 stories from hiking trail" is pretty much more striking and gives a way to curiosity rather than just seeing "1941 - Kautla lahing". The first gives a way to explore more what it exactly is as far as to find the full collection of the stories, the latter is just a point in time with a board and giving quite zero information besides a fact that there was such battle and most likely the viewer wont even get to know that there are 99 more stories. Even more so, it could be mistaken for just a point where exactly the battle happened. Hence "the most prominent name" aka "100 lugu matkateelt" for name=* tag and board:title="1941 - Kautla lahing" for the title of the text that is inscribed on the board.

Tsitating: "Generally, an information board describes some subject that exists independent of the board. The fact that a board carries a name of a nearby object (or some other text) does not necessarily make this name also into a name of a board."

By this definition the 1941 - Kautla lahing is not in the name and is in the board:title, so basically JOKK?

Then again, you probably could bind them together using relation, naming that relation "100 lugu matkateelt" and then give each board the relation and board:title="1941 - Kautja lahing". This would essentially create third way how to mark them.

The fourth way could be name="100 lugu matkateelt", board:title="54", board:subtitle="1941 - Kautja lahing". Could not find board:subtitle=* tag but I guess there is something that can substitute it.

I propose here to use "100 lugu matkateelt" for a name and "1941 - Kautja lahing" for a board:title. Alternatively we could ask for help for third view on this marking problem.

134425254 over 2 years ago

Checked both of these tags and it looks like I need to use them both at the same time in this context of boards. In this particular case "100 lugu matkateelt" is name=* since its very broad classification of object by its name and "1931 - Sagadi metskonnast sai üks esimesest neljast katsemetskonnast" is the board:title=* since its the particular name of the board itself.
The latter I have put to description but it felt not right even at that moment. I'll fix that up once I map all the 100 stories on the hiking trail.

134425254 over 2 years ago

It is nr 44, not nr 45.

124985754 over 2 years ago

To be honest, I dont even remember anymore what I was thinking back then when I put that poi. Looking that it was created on OsmAnd, I most likely was figuring out how to add poi within OsmAnd crumblesome very basic options of map editing. Guess just forgot to remove the test poi back then. Fix is right up! Thank you for the help!

129926159 over 2 years ago

Never mind, I already see the changes, understand now what you meant. Thank you for that.

129926159 over 2 years ago

Hello! For clarification of "If the road in a passing direction is NOT separated by a curb, you do not need to draw it as a separate road, this is an additional lane on an existing road.". Did you mean those lanes that were turning away?

129325805 over 2 years ago

Hello, sure thing.

129091942 over 2 years ago

By default the set of tags are general=yes but other tags are undefined. I see the situation as basically like when the last time you mentioned the crossings where I forgot to put yes tag for pedestrians and/or cyclers where applicable.
I'd say same is here because marked pedestrian and cycling crossing also by default does not have yes tag for pedestrians.
Even more so, wiki about the living street says that "Terms for these street vary considerably around the world." which means that in our case I would set the tags for such roads.
Otherwise I would say highway=cycleway, crossing=marked should already allow walking and does not need explicit yes tag for crossing.

129064056 over 2 years ago

I think i fixed all of them now.
Added "designated" tag to those crossings for pedestrians and for some crossings also added same tag for cyclists. Please review so that I can fix those mistakes.