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82198873 about 4 years ago

Ah, yes, this is broken. Admin Boundaries are tricky. They represent where the town limit is. Garrett Park is a town (https://www.garrettparkmd.gov/) so it has a boundary. Those boundaries should not be altered unless the town does some annexation or something like that. I will fix this boundary with the latest boundary data. In general, don't mess with any boundary unless you know what the implications are. Feel free to reach out if you need help with or around them.

Specificially admin boundaries should be set in stone because, well, they are, by law! They are in the place they are and it takes laws and a signature from the governor to move them.

Census boundaries on the other hand are fungible, and change every 10 years with the census. I've been working on updating them around the state since the current boundaries in the map are from 2008. Those I tend to snap to roads and rivers, because their exact boundary is not set by law, more of a guideline.

108572613 about 4 years ago

I am working in the vicinity of Brookville too

108572613 about 4 years ago

I'm with you here. Trying to disconnect the woods from the streets is tough but having them snapped makes editing the roads harder.

108697111 about 4 years ago

Here's an example of how to interconnect the roods, water, and scrubs you can use as a template (esp if you want tobe meticulous about it). Craft mapping! osm.org/changeset/108833862

108697111 about 4 years ago

One comment is to avoid snapping the woods to the road way or edge of the boundaries. I'll look for some written guidance somewhere. It is not a big deal, just something that can make it harder for other mappers down the road. :)

108697111 about 4 years ago

Looking good here!

99396523 about 4 years ago

Here's a good example area at Patapsco: osm.org/#map=16/39.3035/-76.7848

99396523 about 4 years ago

The area does have the green outline showing it as a protected area space. I find it to look good to add woods, scrub, meadow, and grass as applicable. The main thing to avoid is using the protected area line as a shared boundary with the woods/land cover. It is best if those two features stay distinct, that way editors don't have the compunction to move the protected area boundary (which is typically established by law/title) based on a visual change, like a tree cut.

99396523 about 4 years ago

Right, the best way to make those park areas light up on the OSM website is by adding ground cover. Check out Patapsco Valley State Park for instance. The leisure=park tag is designed for small urban parks with manicured lawns, benches, fountains, stuff like that. In the US, we've taken the word "park" and applied it to big swathes of land where the intended reason for buying the land is preservation (with some limited recreation). There's a whole conversation around this and a variety of other OSM related topics on the OpenStreetMap US Slack if you're interesting in discussing. We'd love to have you. Join us on the #protected_lands channel.

99396523 about 4 years ago

Hey there, saw you'd requested some help a while back with Rock Creek Regional Park. I imported the park boundary back in 2013 and it has been adjusted since, far outside of what MNCPPC designates as park/nature reserve land. I just updated the boundaries of both the regional park and the stream valley park, so everything should be good along Rock Creek now. You'll notice the lower portion is no longer "park" in OSM lingo. This is intentional. The US Public Lands wiki details this more, but generally large woody areas that are preserved for conservancy and some occasional recreation should be tagged as nature_reserve rather than Park. The NR areas still appear "green" on most maps that use OSM though, it is more of a landuse technical designation. Cheers, Elliott

osm.org/relation/13023491#map=12/39.0906/-77.1018

osm.org/relation/1086322#map=15/39.1164/-77.1207

98136504 about 4 years ago

osm.org/changeset/108646867#map=14/39.1834/-77.0549

I've performed the merge. Lots of the residential and school areas now overlap the park, because I got the latest park boundaries in the process. Those should be corrected, e.g. move residential area so it doesn't overlap the park. Consider the park boundaries authoritative straight from MNCPPC

108639533 about 4 years ago

Holy Cow!!

98136504 about 4 years ago

https://mcatlas.org/parks/?find=P42&extent=-8583510.4524%2C4740197.8213%2C-8568624.3411%2C4753946.9318%2C102100

98136504 about 4 years ago

Probably can merge them all into one area. I imported that data almost ten years ago. I bet MNCPPC has a better naming system now.

107931489 about 4 years ago

Don't be surprised if a random throwaway account comes and removed the leisure=park tag and changes it to something else. It has been a real battle :) osm.wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dpark#Mapping_history_in_the_USA

107931489 about 4 years ago

See sheet 3: https://gis.baltimorecity.gov/zoning/blockplats/3499.pdf

107931489 about 4 years ago

Speaking of which, do you think the zoo should be removed from the park (set to inner?) The zoo is not publicly accessible without paying a fee, and is 100% fenced. I've been many times, its a nice zoo, but have thought about removing it from the park MP. Recently I've been working on a project to recategorize large state parks from park to nature_reserve and have thought about this in the city. Gwynn Falls is more of a candidate for that treatment though, as is the back part of Druid. Either way, I think it'd be more right to show the zoo outside of the 'green' area.

Also, I'm about to pop out a small inner piece from the park that I noticed on the code map is not publicly owned, there's a tiny parcel that someone paid $2M for inside the zoo for what looks like some sort of animal hospital facility.

107931489 about 4 years ago

Someone at Rec&Parks has hand manicured the park data there, and at other sites, if you look closely at the data geometry vs what's in the parcel database. I like to refer to the city's CodeMap to verify ownership of public property (Green on there) and other things and if you look there, the parcel doesn't remove the roads. It begs the question though on what is exempt and what is not. Greenspring Ave for instance is still not exempted. This gets into the old OSM debate over landuse mapping and what's legal vs what is observable. I think what we have here at Druid now is probably fine. I personally wouldn't change it back.

107931489 about 4 years ago

By local custom the areas where streets go through a park are not typically 'exempted' from the polygon like you would have in a parcel based dataset. I think of OSM as more of an abstraction in that regard. Sure DOT owns the lane where 83 or 29th is but the little multipolygons add some complexity to the map that may be unneeded. What do you think?

107867707 about 4 years ago

Do you have a source for the JFT Roland Ave route? Was that one I made? I can't find it listed on the official city map as a route, but the route wayfinding can leave some things to be desired too.