Tomas,

I’ve several questions to you statements in your diary and an own hypothesis. Disclaimer: I’m a member of the Swiss Society of Cartography and a board member of the Swiss OpenStreetMap Association.

First, doing a quick search on Scholar https://scholar.google.ch/scholar?as_ylo=2021&q=cartography+openstreetmap receals 1200 papers related to Cartography and OSM. And there are 7 occcurrences of OSM in the ICC2021 programme. So I wonder how you could overlook this?

Secondly you stated: > (Well it is) because OpenStreetMap (community) is not only doing nothing in cartography front, but (…) to do some quality/cartography work is quickly pushed away

I’m sorry for that: Can you be more specific about your experiences?

Third: My impression is the other way round: Cartographers are doing almost nothing on the volunteered geographic information (or citizen science) front - besides “just” using OSM without mentioning it! My hypothesis is, that traditional cartographers are simply “afraid” of automated digital map production. And it’s people like you an me to explain to them, that their expertise still is needed there.

Tomas wrote Tomas asked: > Can you give examples of what is OSM doing on cartography front?

Yes: Looking at “Maps Exhibition” you’ll see the two map products which rely on OSM: My “Castle Dossier Map - Switzerland and neighbouring countries” presented by the Swiss Society of Cartography https://www.icc2021.net/ (direct link: http://www.geografia-applicata.it/en/icc-2021-virtual-exhibition/ ) as well as “swisstopo Vector Tiles” by Dominik Käuferle, Sebastian Denier, Petr Pridal, Nicolas Bozon. Plus there is “ContextMaps” by Institut Cartogràfic i Geològic de Catalunya.

Then there have been two presentations with OpenStreetMap in the title(!): “Cultural Heritage and Awareness: Differences Between Volunteered Geographic Information of Openstreetmap and an Official Cartography. The Case of Caserta in South-Italy” - and “Soviet City Plans and Openstreetmap: a Comparative Analysis”.

The ICA Workshop on Map Generalisation and Multiple Representation explicitly mentions OSM: https://generalisation.icaci.org/prevevents/workshop2021.html and the orienteering event too: https://www.icc2021.net/orienteering/

I’d also recommend to reach out to Christian Nüssli and his Swiss “Defikarte.ch” web application and mobile app: https://defikarte.ch/about.html .

Ich kenne noch die OWL Map (OpenStreetMap Wikidata Link Map) - Matching von Wikidata zu OSM von Edward Betts: https://map.osm.wikidata.link/

Sehr schöne Karte! Interessant wie in höheren Zoomstufen nur Punkte dargestellt werden. Ich hätte da noch einige Verberbesserungsideen :-): Bei den höheren Zoomstufen hat es immer noch einige Symbol-Überlappungen bei der entweder gruppiert (Bänkli) oder aber gefiltert (nach Priorität) werden könnte.

P.S. Die könnten wir übrigens auch am Stammtisch besprechen, der am 11. Okt. wieder geplant ist (bin dann noch in Kurzferien und weiss selber nicht, ob ich es schaffe): osm.wiki/DE:Switzerland:Z%C3%BCrich/OSM-Treffen

Nice work I didn’nt knew before until it was announced in the current WeeklyOSM!

Unfortunately, I haven’t found a good alternative that is more up to date. I’m open to suggestions, though!

Try e.g. Maptiler.org ?

Question: Ist there a comparison available your curvature algorithm with e.g. Kurviger https://kurviger.de/about/en - or the curvature (plus sinuosity and bend) measures in CartAGen https://github.com/IGNF/CartAGen/tree/master/cartagen-core/src/main/java/fr/ign/cogit/cartagen/spatialanalysis/measures/section ?

:Stefan

Mikal, I think you missed something in your summmary in the comment above from 11 March 2020 at 19:23.

Pls. let like to me come back to Mikel’s suggestion in comment osm.org/user/migurski/diary/392416#comment46772 to do feedback detected possible OSM issues as follows: “through the OSMCha API, you can flag changesets/features with reasons, and can be set up so that any reason tag by Facebook has a “Facebook:” prefix.” as Mapbox does” … as can bee seen with this OSMCha filter: https://osmcha.org/?aoi=083b147b-a72c-4026-9db5-b70761a6795c .

I’ve opened an issue here https://github.com/facebookmicrosites/Open-Mapping-At-Facebook/issues/12 . I’d suggest we continue discussion this action over there - if needed :-)

Merci!

Merci. J’ai déjà trouvé le lien vers Amazon. Mais vous devez vous y inscrire. Je cherche un lien direct vers l’APK.

Existe-t-il un fichier .APK pour download, ou un repo Git (github, gitlab, …) pour cette belle application?

This was not a comment but a reference to scientific work. So it’s me asking you to “listen” to evidences from (OSM specific!) research.

Being reproachful like “hey men, listen…” or “let’s create an inclusive map!” is not so productive in my experience, because most do listen (asides from mapping :-), and because OSM does already have quite an inclusive community and map according to the many mapping parties I organized and meetings I attended.

I’m supporting any initiative to welcome more women in OSM since 20 years, like Django Girls, PostgresWomen. My proposal is to be specific and one of my suggestions was regarding wording. Another suggestion is to support women - like you - who are an example of a a doer and a mapper.

@wonderchook wrote “… many other studies showing that it isn’t that women don’t want to code, it is that they feel pushed out or don’t think it is for them in the first place.”

I partially agree with the second part of the statement, that women “don’t think it is for them”. And I completely agree with saying that “Just by using different language you can attract women to apply to jobs they might not have before.”

Here are specific recommended actions and a checklist for organisations about “Attractivity of ICT jobs”: https://www.fhnw.ch/de/die-fhnw/hochschulen/hsw/pmo/forschung-und-dienstleistung/attraktivitaet-von-ict-berufen (sorry Geman again, but Deepl.com will help you). Though this applies mainly to general communication and of course not for technical discussions, like e.g. on tagging, OSM software or coding.

On the other hand, I can’t confirm the claim and repeated hypothesis that women supposedly are being pushed out more than in any other STEM related activity. I’d like you really read up to what @alexkemp said above about STEM.

Pls. look also closely at this “Empirical investigation of the motivation of participants in the voluntary collection of geodata” which specically investiaged on OSM and was advised by psychologists (see osm.wiki/w/images/2/28/Motivation_VGI_Projekte_2009_vs_2011.pdf and https://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2010/events/26.de.html ).

OK; so we agree and believe in its (OSM’s) victorious future. The english translation should’nt be a problem, since there’s DeepL as another (partial) replacement of the G* service stack - like OSM for maps. The main issue here still is another one: The weakness of OSM having almost no outreach “staff” (volunteers) - besides the word of mouth of course…

Hi Zverik

I agree that OSM can be enhanced. But I also get somehow the impression, that you are frustrated - probably because of impatience?

I’m also sometimes impatient. But I would never say “… your open map does not have any future”. Most of your arguments of having no control apply to Google Maps even more.

And your assertion, that Google e.g. has more POIs is quite debatable (do you really prefer commercially biased data?).

And of course let’s try to stick on those aspects which are comparable between Google Maps and OSM (ratings and commercial offerings are not part of the comparison, right?).

Headlines like “Not Yours, OpenStreetMap” are perhaps tought or even action provoking. But they are only constructive, if they are followed by another, positive post, and by continued engagement to make OSM even better.

So, I’m looking forward for your next diary entry :-).

Thank you very much for your engagement! I appreciate your work expecially since I know there are so many issues and so few to resolve them.

I’m nevertheless wondering why there are about 4(!) overlapping issues regarding castle/fort - and nobody is daring to consolidate them? https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+castle .

It’s perhaps only a pull away to add such an obvious icon which often has no conflict in the woods.

Is it just because there are so few maintainers on the OpenStreetMap Carto style (Daniel, Andy and…)?

Interesting web app https://ent8r.github.io/NotesReview/ I’m collecting such tools for OSM Notes management here: https://giswiki.hsr.ch/OpenStreetMap_Notes Perhaps I should move this content to the osm.wiki/Notes page?

Added this tool in the OSM Wiki page. Feel free to open an own wiki page there: osm.wiki/Quality_assurance#OSMAT

I’ve also heard from low-cost RTK GNSS which use Precise Point Positioning (PPP). Using these type of GPS mice (e.g. from u-blox) you don’t need a rover/base station and they reach sub-meter accurracy – especially when post-processed with RTKLIB: See e.g. https://www.u-blox.com/de/precise-point-positioning-ppp .

Many thanks. I see what you mean in the raster graphics and you mentioned areas (i.e. polygons with one outer ring and no inner rings) when drawing the Pies. But how forgiving is your plugin? What are the constraints of the Pie Sheet areas? What happens if a sheet polygon overlaps the Pie Overview polygon and/or another sheet polygon? What if the sheets are larger than the layout A4? Sorry for these silly questions - it’s s perhaps because of my professional deformation :-) in GIS…

@Zverik: I’m lost in your instructions when it comes to pie lines and areas… What do you all a “pie”? To me a pie is just a round thing…. What I expect here is, that a user just has to draw a perimeter (or task) as non-overlapping areas for each mapper.

You wrote:

1. Yay, we’ve got a map. Sketch the pie with lines in the “Pie Overview” layer.

Lines forming what kind of shapes?

1. Having finalized the pie, activate the “Pie Sheets” layer and draw areas around quarters that go on each of the printed sheets.

How do these areas relate to pies lines?

Perhaps two screenshots showing an example of “Pie Overview” and “Pie Sheets” layer would help?