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92050635 almost 5 years ago

Hi!
Welcome to OpenStreetMap.
It seems that your changeset includes changes to the following area: osm.org/way/854067867 Given the changeset comment, this was probably accidental. Can you confirm it?
It is in general bad practise to have large changesets ranging over large aeras like this one, as everyone in between gets notified.

92008441 almost 5 years ago

Bonjour et bienvenue sur OSM ☺
J’admets ne pas bien comprendre le commentaire du groupe de modification. Qu’est ce que « lct » ?

92057752 almost 5 years ago

Hi! This changeset contains two modifications: one in Jakarta, and one in the USA. As a result, the changeset spans over a very large area, notifying everyone in-between. Please avoid such large changesets and prefer splitting them in two changesets (one for each country).

92056170 almost 5 years ago

Hi! This is a changeset over a very large area. Please, at least add a message to the changeset: osm.wiki/Good_changeset_comments

Also, as a courtesy to the other mappers, it would be nice to avoid covering such a large area. For instance by having different changes for e.g., the parts of your changes in Spain, and the ones in South Africa. Thanks!

92056603 almost 5 years ago

C’est bizarre : on dirait que Maps.me a fusionné la boîte au lettres que j’ajoutais avec l’arbre le plus proche. J’ai résolu le problème, mais ça sent le bogue :-\

91913371 almost 5 years ago

Bonjour ☺ C’est une modification qui couvre une surface assez grande. Pensez à diviser la moditication en deux : une partie pour la Martinique, et une partie pour l’Alsace. Dans le cas contraire, le changement notifie un grand nombre de personnes dans beaucoup de pays non concernés. Aussi, pensez à ajouter un commentaire pour les modifications : cela aide beaucoup à comprendre quelle était l’intention des modifications. Merci d’avance !

91815947 almost 5 years ago

Hi! Welcome to OpenStreetMap! ☺

This changeset is composed of two parts: one in Arugam Bay, and one in Abingdon. As a result, the changeset spans over a very large area: all mappers in Italia, Greece, Turquey, etc. have been notified by it.

In the future, consider doing local changes. For instance by publishing two changesets (one for Sri Lanka and one for the UK). Thanks!

91825272 almost 5 years ago

Hi! It’s quite a large changeset in term of area, but no description has been associated with it: in the future, consider adding a meaningful commit message. Thanks! ☺

91450754 almost 5 years ago

Hi! Welcome to OpenStreetMap ☺
The changeset that you have sent spans over a very large area. It is strongly advised to avoid this, as this notifies a large amount of person from several contries and makes the changeset difficult to assess. In Maps.me, you can for instance synchronise the map before taking any plane: this will split the changeset from one country to the other.
Thanks! ☺

90835034 almost 5 years ago

Hi,
It seems that you added an unwanted change to osm.org/relation/11621028 as part of this changeset. Can you double-check that it was wanted?
Thanks!

89898017 almost 5 years ago

Pas de problème ☺

89898017 almost 5 years ago

Bonjour ☺
Le groupe de modification me semble assez grand vis-à-vis des changements. Si possible, pensez à diviser les changements en plusieurs changeset (un pour Paris, un pour Rouen, etc.) : cela peut grandement aider à éviter les notifications sur les autres zones ☺

88708384 almost 5 years ago

This is changeset over a huge area. This means that a large amount of mappers will be notified by this changeset. However no name has been provided to the changeset. This makes it extremely difficult to understand what it is for. Please avoid this as much as possible.

85645697 about 5 years ago

Thanks! I wasn’t aware of this key ☺

77845837 over 5 years ago

@skquinn: You have to understand several things first here.

First, personnal experience is worth exactly nothing when there are studies claiming the contrary. Most studies you can found on Google Scholar mostly study the propedeutical nature of the language, but you can still find some about the learning time. Learning languages is hard in general. You seem to live in an English-speaking area. So yeah, of course English is easier to speak for yourself. This does not mean anything about the language: everybody is biased and that’s why we need some actual statistics to claim anything about language difficulty, not personnal experience.

Second, the suggestion of this changeset here was not to use Esperanto for the main “name” tag. It was to remove the “name” tag for places whose language is not obvious (oceans, Antartica, etc.). The point is that these places are already associated with a ton of localised tags “name:en”, “name:eo”, etc. and thus any renderrer can use them instead. This has nothing to do with actually chosing a neutral language. Note that the documentation does not says that English should be used as neutral ground at all in this situation: osm.wiki/Key:name It is something that has not been stated by the community yet, and should be debated first. Stating that “English is the obvious choice” or anything by that is against the rules for the very same reason that this changeset was reverted.

Anyway, this is absolutely not the right place to debate for it. I’ve send yesterday a message to the talk mailing list on the link given by SomeElse above, and it still awaits moderation. We have to be patient here. But please, do not misunderstand the whole point of the changeset (whose author I am not, but the way) or place personnal biases above scientific studies.

77845837 over 5 years ago

@SomeoneElse I get that. Thanks. (And thanks for the link.) I wasn’t claiming that one should actively change the database without consulting the community. I was just questioning the relevancy of the “name” tag in the case where there is no relevant language associated to the place. Probably not in the right place. Sorry about that.

Also, don’t say that Esperanto is artificial without thinking about it. It indeed started as a constructed language, but its recent (that is, in the last hundred years) evolutions have been entirely driven by its community and its practice (much more than most non-constructed languages, actually): this is not what the word “artificial” is conveying. Using such negatively connoted words is not a good starting point for a safe discussion.

77845837 over 5 years ago

(Fakte, estis la propono de Verdizulo: forigi la baznomon “name”, sciante ke ĉiuj lingvoj jam enhavas sian lokalan version “name:eo”, “name:en”, ktp.)

77845837 over 5 years ago

Ĉiel, la specife nomataj etikedoj “name:eo”, “name:en”, ktp. estas korektaj, ĉu ne? Do iu ajn kiu agordis sian mapon por legi specifan lingvon normale legos la nomojn.

La problemo temas pri la baznomo de loko kiuj ne estas asociitaj al specifa lingvo, kiel oceanoj. En kiu lingvo ĝi devintus esti? En mia opinio, estas sufiĉe frustriga ke oni eĉ devas doni tian baznomon por tiaj lokoj ☹ Ĉu eblas lasi la baznomon “name” malplenan kaj nur plenigi la specifajn “name:eo”, “name:en”, ktp.?

74796209 almost 6 years ago

I’ve just reported the issue: https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/issues/1578
I am afraid that similar changesets will be needed for all the postboxes whose collection time I have added through StreetComplete.

74796209 almost 6 years ago

Thanks! The hours have been added by StreetComplete: it seems that it mistakenly uses commas instead of semicolons :-\