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160145534 8 months ago

I've asked on the SABRE forums before, and there was no consensus on 60 or 70, so I used my common sense of the roundabout being a single circulatory carriageway, therefore it's 60. If you want to settle this, I suggest again to make a discussion on the community forums, but I can't imagine it being correct for NSL roundabouts to be 60 or 70 simply depending on their connecting roads.

160145534 8 months ago

What is this "discussion" though, and what do you class as "their" road? I do believe there needs to be discussions about this on the community forum as there is clearly no existing consensus on this, or at least not based on actual evidence.

160145534 8 months ago

That's not a consensus. There are plenty of roundabouts in similar situations marked at 60 mph too I could argue similarly. Worth noting that motorway roundabouts are legally 70 mph due to their motorway status.

160145534 8 months ago

What consensus is that? Can you point me to the discussion that agreed on roundabouts being 70 mph?

160145534 8 months ago

Because slip roads branch from a dual carriageway, a roundabout breaks it.

160145534 8 months ago

On slip roads that may be true, but for roundabouts no. Funnily enough I tried asking National Highways the other day about speed limits on slip roads (60 or 70) and they basically said "it's national speed limit" (i.e. no answer. I would presume the same for this case, so we can only go on common sense here, in that it's a single circular carriageway, not part of the dual carriageway.

160145298 8 months ago

I refer you to the second word of that definition.

160163505 8 months ago

One of my recent big edits was removing a dual carriageway that didn't exist, that's not a "lower standard", that's making the geometry fit the road layout.

160163505 8 months ago

If you're referring to the road splitting at traffic islands at junctions, it is unnecessary complex geometry when the island can be represented by a tagged node. For more complex layouts or very large islands it makes sense to split the road, however in locations like this it's not worth it in my view.

160145298 8 months ago

It is a dead-end road, why should it be tertiary?

160145534 8 months ago

Roundabouts are single circulatory carriageways, not a dual carriageway.

160036066 8 months ago

Please update maxspeed:type tags when updating maxspeed tags

159914974 8 months ago

"GB:sign" is not a valid maxspeed:type tag

158759108 8 months ago

What source did you use for the names here? Wikipedia lists the village as "Cross Hands"

159368983 9 months ago

Do you think it would be better to tag "lit=no" in such cases?

158563624 9 months ago

Please change maxspeed:type tags when changing maxspeed tags

159368983 9 months ago

Well, without the lit tag it cannot be determined if the maxspeed:type=sign designation is correct, so it makes sense to remove this tag pending the addition of a lit tag before a maxspeed:type tag. From my experience it's more likely a lit tag is correct than a maxspeed:type tag on a 30mph road.

And yes, technically the road can be lit, with the streetlights further than 183m apart, and not be under a 30mph speed limit, however it is impossible to tell without measuring the gaps between street lights. Large distances are unlikely to also warrant a lit=yes tag anyway. There is a village near me that has a few street lights on a 30mph road, and yet there are repeater signs so it does not qualify as a restricted road, so that's one way of telling.

159368983 9 months ago

If there are no street lights then yes please do include the tag lit=no. From my experience it can't be assumed that the road is lit or not depending on the maxspeed:type=sign or maxspeed:type=GB:nsl_restricted tags, as there are so many erroneous applications of these tags out there.

159338002 9 months ago

This is not a dual carriageway, so "maxspeed:type=GB:nsl_dual" is incorrect

158940355 9 months ago

Hi, please remember to add relevant maxspeed:type tags when adding speed limits. See the wiki page for more info: osm.wiki/Key:maxspeed:type#United_Kingdom