@Kovoschiz: indeed, I didn’t discuss training. First of all, most mappers will search for ‘school’, e.g. ‘driving school’. IMHO this is why ‘training’ didn’t really pick up.

As an example: many music schools in my environment are tagged as amenity=school or even amenity=university. Why? Because in many languages, these are called schools.

I’m pretty fond of the idea of a general scheme such as training; but IMHO is training setup as a leftover.

@SimonPoole: Do you mean this thread? https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-April/064315.html

That one is mainly about the ISCED:2011-proposal and the main concern were the numerical codes instead of human-readable values, which has been fixed in the updated proposal which is more or less followed in the above text.

Hi,

Robin van der Linden recently created an awesome MapComplete-theme about recycling containers.

This might be useful for you!

Kind regards, Pieter

Hi b-unicycling,

We have (and had) very similar problems in Bruges, where heritage-buildings were vacant, rotted away and were demolished when they were on the brink of collapsing to make room for new, modern projects. It’s been better now though - one of the complexes around the corner from where I lived have been incorporated into a modern project, striking a compromise between modern needs and the architectural value of the old monastery. I was somewhat happy with the project, as it meant that at least something would be preserved after being vacant for over 40 (!) years.

Ironically, it has been squatted by a group of activists who did a good job in doing the most urgent repairs (ie fixing leaking roofs, cleaning bird corpses and closing wide-open windows); in the mean time turning the building into a very artistic spot. It was nice to visit them too, they did open days and music gigs every now and then.

Apart from that, we sometimes link heritage to our heritage website operator too.

@ftrebien: I finally got around uploading those images, nearly one year after taking them…

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kasseitype_Belgische_Waaier_in_de_Sint-Amandsstraat_Brugge.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kasseitype_Belgische_Waaier_in_de_Sint-Amandsstraat.jpg

Hey Tauvic,

Ziet OpenStreetMap een rol voor zich in het beschikbaar stellen van informatie over goed begaanbare voetpaden?

Er is geen partij die antwoord kan geven ofdat OSM “zichzelf een rol ziet spelen in XYZ”. OpenStreetMap is op zich “maar” een databank. De regels over wat soort informatie in die databank mag, is vrij duidelijk: “geodata die ter plaatse waarneembaar is en ietwat permanent”.

Voetpaden vallen daar dus zeker en vast onder!

(Hoe deze voetpaden in de databank moeten, daar kan je redelijk wat over discussieren.)

Maar bon, wat ik dus wil zeggen: OSM is wat je ervan maakt. Daarom heb ik een editor gemaakt waar het makkelijk is om relevante informatie toe te voegen, zonder dat je daar technische kennis voor nodig hebt. Met deze https://mapcomplete.osm.be/nature?language=nl&filter-toggle=true#filters kan je alvast veel info toevoegen.

Met https://mapcomplete.osm.be/sidewalks kan je informatie over voetpaden aan de hoofdhighway toevoegen (noot: deze is nog erg in beta)

Edit @AgusQui: commenting on notes should work again

Hi AgusQui,

Could you please post this issue in the issue tracker? It might help to post the specific note, and the text you wanted to type. If possible, a console log can also help to see what precisely went wrong.

Kind regards, Pieter

That would ay least be a separate layer. I currently don’t have time to set this up, but I would gladly accept a PR to include this. Documentation is in the repo

Images are hosted on IMGur

There is a delete button, but you have to be logged-in to see it. Points are deleted, ways are stripped of their tags.

A ‘what is the phone number’ is included, but you have to go through the other questions first (click the ‘skip question’-button).

The mapcomplete shopping theme is pretty close to what all of you want, I think? MapComplete is built around the concept of a ‘theme’, which can contain various layers and allows to add a new Point. Some care has to be given as sometimes a ‘closely related’ concept might get added with wrong tags, so questions and all have to be crafted very carefully.

@SimonPoole: cool statistics there! Right now, MapComplete is being developed part-time as freelancer. For the very first incarnation, I was around $5/changeset - but your figures won’t be too far of.

Hi! Make sure to check out mapcomplete.osm.be/aed which helps people to quickly add AEDs without OSM-knowledge.

@PlayzinhoAgro: another question: who is gonna implement this? Or is this just a wild idea. There are very little devs who know the Rails Port enough to do meaningfull work on it, let alone who have time to do it!

You’re also welcome to have a look at MapComplete.osm.be, which I’m the dev of and could use some UX-feedback on

This looks awesome!

I’m a bit wary of too much social media feel and too much gamification. We should avoid to have people add junk edits just too see the statistics go up! (E.g. someone asking how much edits they need for the free osmand live, or pokemon-go parks). Some of them convert into real and decent mappers though, so it truly is the excercise of finding the right balance.

Having people feel valued for their (actual) work however would be great!

Google Maps does a great job with this by indicating that ‘XXX people saw the image you added and YYY people saw the opening hours you added to a shop! Great job!”

Ofc, gathering this kind of stats is hard in a decentralized, privacy-sensitive community…

Congrats - that is quite a job.

MapComplete has an etymology map too, so feel free to explore your work

Cool, but I have added that humonguous hash as well, as it is that hash which contains the actual configuration for mapcomplete to show the vets.

BTW, these themes can be deployed really fast with https://pietervdvn.github.io/mc/legacy/070/customGenerator.html

Allright, you triggered me.

Have fun with this one I created for you

@lonvia:

I’m in the same boat as Roland with development of MapComplete. I’m quite passionate about it too, but funding of it isn’t really a problem as there is a market for tailored, easy to use OpenStreetMap-editors (!). The entire project started of by with a small fund from someone, and since then I’ve had many requests.

However, it is true that this model certainly has drawbacks (such as bus factor), but being able to have a good vision of what I want the project to be is a huge benefit and allows for lots of innovation.

Hi Roland,

I’ll probably join the next meeting, but I’m having a few issues with that:

• The email addresses engineering@osm.org and engineering@openstreetmap.org do bounce as undeliverable ( host a.mx.openstreetmap.org[212.110.172.32] said: 550 Unrouteable address (in reply to RCPT TO command)
• On the EWG wiki page, the biweekly meetings are said to be on monday. However, the next mentioned date is 2021-10-16 (which is a saturday). I suspect either a typo or a one-time different day - could you please clarify?

Kind regards, Pieter

I do think that your basic premise “OpenStreetMap is a map” is incorrect. It is rather a database of geodata.

If one company doesn’t need 99% of that data, they are free to take a copy, and remove what they need from their working copy.

The “core” project is already separate and run by the foundation. They get funding via different means (memberships and big and small donations). They make sure the core infra keeps running (the database + some basic tile rendering). This leaves room to lots of small parties to make a living via various means. Both my freelance jobs as my day-to-day job rely on OSM-centric services. Most of the people such as us do give some donations/are members of the foundation - not to mention that there are some big companies with deep pockets who sponsor too. Funding is not a problem at the moment ;)

At last, I’m not aware that OSM itself publishes geodata in the shapefile-format; although some comanies do.