DWG shouldn’t stand by and do nothing with this user’s vandalism! He deserve a ban!

Andy from the DWG here. We’ve had exactly 2 reports about this user over the years, once in 2019 (about something completely different) and one 2 days ago, which didn’t link to any actual data but just said “This user left many strange lines on the map”. It was only by seeing someone reply here immediately after I’d dealt with the other ticket that I was able to make the connection. Earlier I’d already asked the user to reply about the odd circles: osm.org/user_blocks/5984 .

If you want the DWG to deal with something please read “I’ve seen a problem; what should I do?” at https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group .

(likely inaccurate and possibly hilarious machine translation follows)

(随后可能是不准确且可能很搞笑的机器翻译）

来自 DWG 的 Andy。 这些年来，我们已经收到了 2 份关于该用户的报告，一次是在 2019 年（关于完全不同的事情），一次是 2 天前，该报告没有链接到任何实际数据，只是说“该用户在 地图”。 只有在我处理完另一张票后立即看到有人在这里回复，我才能建立联系。 早些时候我已经要求用户回复奇怪的圈子：osm.org/user_blocks/5984。

如果您希望 DWG 处理某些事情，请阅读“我发现了一个问题；我应该怎么做？” 在 https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group 。

Well it did have some content previously, which was possibly removed following my comment above…

Thanks - as long as that happens before you start editing, that’s great.

Hello,

If you’re a member of an organised editing team can you please read and follow https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines and make sure that your activities are listed at osm.wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities .

Best Regards,

Andy

Hello PopeyePopcord,

I’ve asked on talk-ca about the suitability for the licences that you are using for use in OSM - see the thread here. I’d suggest that you dicuss it in more detail with the Canadian community.

Thanks for the information provided so far on e.g. osm.org/changeset/119761959 about the suitability of that source.

To answer the question on osm.org/changeset/119755674 (“how is using open data not allowed”), the problem is that not all “open” data licences are compatible with each other (or with OSM). There have been examples of government datasets (e.g. in the UK) that were initially believed to be licence-compatible with OSM but later found to contain IP from a non-open source. It may be that other people have done much of the work of licence checking for you - but we need to be sure that the data that you are using really is available under a licence compatible with OSM.

Best Regards,

Andy

I can hide it if you want (I’m a moderator)

Hello,

I would strongly recommend that you do not put too much effort into this project as your responses at https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/83528/can-different-named-areas-of-sea-overlap suggest that you’re ignoring the way that most other mappers in OSM map things.

If that’s the case, and your changes do not reflect realiy, it’s likely that we (OSM’s Data Working Group) will need to revert some of these changes.

In the real world it’s simply not true that every one piece of sea has “only one name”, just like it’s not true that any one piece of ground has. For example, I live in a city with a name, but that is also in England, and also in the United Kingdom. It can get more complicated of course - see e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20190225133138/http://ma3t.co.uk/euanmills/euanmills/tifd.html and http://mappinglondon.co.uk/2013/londons-localities/ .

Best Regards,

Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM’s Data Working Group

Beyond the technical part described here, I’d also try and understand the history - Who added it and why? What were they actually trying to do? Do they need help? In many cases of course it’ll be pretty obvious that things like this simply no longer add value, and have long been remapped as something else.

Have you tried communicating with the people who are organising the HOT projects or with the mappers themselves?

Indeed, I had attempted to reply in a humorous manner that the meaning of this diary entry really wasn’t very clear. I’m sorry that didn’t work, and I’ve messaged bo_hot privately to apologise about that and suggest what might have helped better communication in the first place.

I understand most of the words; it’s just that when they’re joined together they don’t make sense (for example - what exactly is a “future community product owner”?)

I can guess some, since I’ve dealt with salespeople fluent in corporate BS for many years. I presume that:

“… will be sitting down to identify and triage the most pressing issues expressed by the Tasking Manager community”

means “… will fix some bugs” and

“If you have issues, features or enhancements that are either new, or outstanding, I highly encourage you to start getting them shaed and consolidated in the TM github repo”

means “Please log any bugs you know about”.

However, many of the people that I’d hope you’d want to read whatever you’ve written may not be, especially if they haven’t previously been exposed to this particular American flavour of corporate-speak.

As an aside, documents hosted on Google and Slack channels may well not be accessible to everyone. OSMF has a committent to open communications channels; shouldn’t Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team have something similar? Don’t you want what you write to be visible to everyone?

Andy

(for the avoidance of any doubt, writing in an entirely personal capacity)

Is an English translation of this post available?

:)

Thanks for reverting the deletions. If you don’t get a reply from the mapper please send an email to data@openstreetmap.org so that the Data Working Group can try and grab their attention if they start mapping again.

Best Regards, Andy (from the DWG)

Is there an updated version for this?

There may be - I haven’t looked for a while. It’s available to fetch, modify, and create your own version of though, and the Docker entry-level help covers that in some detail.

If you’re stuck or don’t know where to start ask a help.osm.org question and someone will answer.

Geonick wrote:

I hope you aren’t a troll.

Alas, I think that time has shown that Tomas is little more than a troll, and seems to tke great delight in “conversations” such as these with contrbutions that really don’t add any value. As the saying goes, never wrestle with a pig - you both get dirty and the pig likes it.

@highflyer74 Thanks for commenting (see http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=14817502 ). If there’s no reply from Open Paint Maps then the DWG can inquire further to try and find out what the problem is.

Hello,

If you believe that there is a copyright violation problem please email OSM’s Data Working Group at data@osmfoundation.org and provide as much detail as you can.

Separatelt to this, I notice at https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=14817502 that a number of other users have commented on your changesets and asked you questions. Please do answer them - click on the link in the list above, type in your comment and click “comment”.

Best Regards,

Andy (from the DWG)

Hello Feyman Diagram,

There’s not a good way currently of mapping “this place might get muddy after it rains”, the nearest we’ve got are tags that describe the surface (like “surface=dirt”, “tracktype=grade5” etc.).

We do have tags for intermittent water and flood-prone areas, which might work in a few places, but not really “this might get muddy”.

However, tagging things with actual surface is a huge step forward.

Best Regards,

Andy

Under what licence is the information made available?

信息是在什么许可下提供的？

Just with regards to “But someone else noticed places of difference (e.g. OSM, Bing)” - the DWG has had at least one ticket where Bing credits OSM (among other sources), where a path name in Bing was wrong but OSM was correct (it was within walking distance for me to check, and that name had been there for about 10 years). The path has since been deleted from Bing altogether.

Re “Eventually OSM will have the best PoI coverage”, we (the DWG) also regularly get complaints from Facebook/Instagram users saying that OSM’s POI data is wrong, when it’s actually Facebook’s that’s outdated, in the wrong place or wrong for some other reason. Bing seems to have similar issues - in the same area Bing has almost everything mislocated - the labelled supermarket, pub, hotel and coffee shop are all a couple of streets wrong in various directions.

– Andy