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This strikes me as unreasonable, and I won’t support it.

We’re already doing this whenever possible. For the (cancelled) F2F planned in London in March, every European board member had booked a ticket on the Eurostar to get there, and all except one had a train ticket to go back.

You’re also talking about the free time of volunteers. Board and OWG members invest a lot of their time for the OSMF; asking people to spend an extra 12 unpaid hours, plus, since you’re only considering travel time in your proposal, any extra time needed to wait for the transportation, is unreasonable.

You’re also not considering the cost and the carbon impact of this. A one-hour flight on a full Dash-8 will cost and emit less than a seven-hour trip alone in a rented car. Not being able to fly could also add an extra hotel night.

As an example, my trip to Cambridge for the treasurer handover in February would probably have been covered. The flight cost 65 EUR, plus £40 for the taxi from the airport because weather conditions shut the train line from Stansted. Taking the train would have cost the OSMF around £300 more, plus the extra hotel night. I would also have had to spend two nights in Cambridge instead of one, and spent two working days instead of two evenings on travel.

Minor detail - osm.wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections/2020 says that voting closes on February 9th, not April 9th.

https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/18440 is the ticket on the JOSM side.

https://github.com/bryceco/GoMap/issues/242 is the ticket for GoMap.

@SimonPoole you’d ask every user to sign up for a Maxar API key? Do a bit of oauth magic to grab one automatically? Hmm.

What a pity. Maxar’s imagery is a crucial resource in many places, and the OSM community is very thankful for it. I hope that a solution is found soon. I understand you’re in touch with Bryan Housel, but can you please keep the maintainers of the other editors in the loop too? Shoot me a message if I can help connect everyone.

Oh, the pitfalls of automatically translating idioms! A Schaumschläger is an eggbeater, and it means a person who boasts and produces a lot of hot air. Also, a ‘tomcat’ is a hangover.

Metafilter is often cited as an example of good moderation. What they do takes a huge amount of work, but they manage to create a space where very different viewpoints can meet and have a civil conversation. Is that what we’d want, and can we do that?

Hi Heather,

Thank you for all the work you’ve done for the board.

I’m wondering what you mean by ‘toxic meritocracy’ in the OSM context? The abuse you got on the mailing list about your amount of mapping back in 2017?

I’m also genuinely curious if you have examples of toxic masculinity that you can share. I must confess that it’s something I have seen elsewhere, but not much in the OSM world. It’s hard to do something about a problem that you care about but can’t see.

Cheers,

Guillaume

Vielleicht that les Vorschriften for snow in Allemagne sont, dass the Trafficpanneaux for kein Winterdienst on both Ende of the chemin aufgeput must be, and die Personne in charge simplement put ein of these à beide Ends?

That was pretty straightforward, thank you! I played with the min/maxzoom levels of tippecanoe, and chose the default checkboxes for the API key. It’s not clear whether those tile views count towards any API traffic limits, but I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

Lots of success to your FB group! Do you know about adding it to the community index which would make the FB page appear in the iD editor?

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Hi Sérgio,

I think those are excellent ideas. I’ll have to see if we can easily generate a table showing members per country. I believe that members get a link to osmf-talk when they join, but indeed it could be shown along with the other lists.

Please join, and encourage your friends to join! Brazil currently has 8 OSMF members. On average, 100 Brazilians edit the map every day. This puts it near the bottom of my spreadsheet for members / mappers. Together, you can make sure the Brazilian community is properly represented in the Foundation.

Guillaume

Hi Sérgio,

Yeah, it’s part of the membership register. Anyone can make a formal request to see the register of normal members, and members themselves can request to see the register of both normal and associate members.

Guillaume

Hah, we’ve been procrastinating with the same things! I’ll post about my analysis soon too.

As a clarification maybe: the “other policy draft proposed to the board that was apparently written by a mapping company” is probably either the document written by the advisory board, or the set of amendments to the current guidelines that Mikel proposed to water them down. DWG and I know of no other document.

It actually looks like a Flickr-style map not unlike https://maposmatic.osm-baustelle.de/results//0375062018-11-03_15-09.pdf was used as a base.

@pangoSE I’m not sure what program Yll used, but vector drawing editors like Inkscape or Adobe Illustrator would be able to do that. I’d try different styles to see what’s easiest to edit.

So far you’re the person who’s voiced their opinion the strongest :)

Christoph, yes, the conflict of interest question is a relevant one that the board urgently needs to answer. For clarity’s sake, even though you’re not accusing me of it, I don’t have any even remote conflict of interest in this game. I’ve only ever organised one tiny mapathon years ago, and organised mapping rarely if ever occurs in my areas of interest. My goal has been to do first what’s best for the map and second reach the best possible compromise that can be accepted by the board and as many as possible.

I understand what you’re saying about regulatory capture. The procedure has deliberately been transparent, and the DWG and the Board check and balance each other nicely.

I have neither ignored anyone nor capitulated to anyone. You’ve read Mikel’s questions; it seems unlikely to me that he would accept what you’re suggesting, just as you would not accept what he’s suggesting.

The consensus in DWG, and I believe in general, is that this is a good compromise everyone could live with.

The board is democratically elected by the OSMF members. Its questions and suggestions have been handled impartially as such. If you don’t like what it’s doing, convincing as many craft mappers to become OSMF members and to vote in December is the best way to go. Peter, Mikel and Martijn are up for reelection this year.

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Michael, you’re right, it would be good to have the questions and my answers in the minutes.