The problem with the second one is possibly twofold.

This is the URL: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/natiemparis/43508999614/

You may well see that picture if you are logged into your Flickr page, but no-one else will. Once again, you need to obtain the “embed url”, which is this: > https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1899/43508999614_fea9df8bca_c.jpg

That enables this:

Hi Natalia.

Unfortunately all of your image links are broken on both the English & Spanish page.

Looking at the first one the url is as follows: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:State_of_the_Map_2018#/media/File:State_of_the_Map_2018_Scholars.jpg

As best as I can tell, the actual url that you want is: > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/State_of_the_Map_2018_Scholars.jpg

…which is this:

You find that URL by going to the file information page & copying the ‘original file’ link url. You can then edit the page & add the correct URL in.

HTH

There is currently no method, unlike some other forum software, to upload a local image from your desktop to the server hosting these Diaries & then have it shown in a Diary. That is a damn shame since it would be a useful addition. However, until someone writes the routine, offers it as a suggestion, and an admin decides that yes, the code offered works, is usable & would be a good addition, that will not happen.

posting a diary entry that is simply “odd” or “not useful” does not constitute spam under any sane definition that I am aware of

That is a perfectly reasonable view in many circumstances.

What is your view on the proliferation of accounts that never contribute to the map and only post Diary entry(s) that have zero relevance to OSM? They are obviously the cyber equivalent of graffiti, but more importantly such posts are well known to spam-hunters as sleeper accounts. They are usually originated by bots (almost all spam is posted by bots), though that is less likely on OSM. Like squirrels burying hazelnuts they frequently get forgotten even by their originators & simply clog up the feeds with nonsense, a process that causes readers to go elsewhere.

@TomH
I have 20 years full-time experience of fighting SPAM. I spend a full day researching & writing the best intelligence that I can pack into a short article, expressly designed for admin folks like yourself, to try to equip you a little better, to help OSM better, and you dismiss it after a cursory glance.

Well done.

Good job!

Instead of just spamming OSM, why not actually make a diary post?

2 broken links; one following which she stressed to be one of the hardest part & the other following More powers to OSM and open data/mapping!.

The plain link leads to a accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin page which asks for Google sign-in details. In other words, this worked from your computer because you were already logged in to Google, but not for any other person on the planet.

You need to store those photos on an anonymous a/c.

Hi Mateusz Konieczny

Sure; I trust that it was very clear that there was zero issue from me towards yourself on that basis. However, SFS never thought that anyone could be so inept, or indeed brain-dead, as to write a plugin that would offer to access the SFS API on every user access. Yet sure enough, that is what happened (in addition to freelance efforts).

Hundreds of thousands of users access SFS each day, so you can imagine the effects of those additional web-servers multiplied by each user to those web-servers. A true DDOS.

Caution advised!

Whilst (as best I can tell) Mateusz does not suggest using the above methods live on a web-page, or indeed live on a web-server, this is the kind of thing that may prompt others to embed it in their application. Now, if your desire is to crash the 3rd-party website, then that is the perfect way to do so.

The way to avoid such an action is to do 2 things:–

1. Use a cron job to obtain the necessary image/whatever
2. Cache the results

It is unlikely that any 3rd-party website will object to you performing a daily cron-access.

Just in case the point has not got home, this happened (and occasionally re-occurs) on StopForumSpam (SFS). This is the sequence of events:–

• SFS maintains a crowd-sourced database of email-addresses + usernames + IP-addresses reported as used by spammers
• In addition, SFS provides an API which allows computer interrogation of the database (DB)
• The two points above mean, as just one example, that a webserver can use a server-script to take the email address supplied by a forum-user and find out from SFS whether that email address has been used to spam other forums (and thus deny access if it is a ‘dirty’ address)
• On occasion a brain-dead forum operator will use the above facility to — in effect — use SFS as a firewall. They do that by checking every IP-address of every visitor to their site via the SFS API, or similar with email address or username. That can easily become a bit like every person in a town leaving their bath-taps running. It’s not long before the water reservoir runs dry (or, in this case, SFS suffer a DDOS, which is what happened).
• The SFS administrator has to keep a careful watch on the logs, and persistent offenders go into the firewall.

Report to the Data Working Group (DWG). It is vandalism. Do not stand for it - the DWG are used to removing vandals.

(the “`” is actually a grave accent on the ls command part … the one on the same key as the tilde for American English keyboards)

The name of that character is “backtick” (inline execution operator in Linux, and also used within Markdown to produce inline code). On UK keyboards it is found immediately under the Esc key.

Having said all that, as @Marcos Dione so expertly explains above, you do not need it in the context of a for-do block, since the for() will expand the block for you.

up to date Chrome

Hmm. Mine is up-to-date Chromium (“Version 66.0.3359.117 (Developer Build) built on Debian 9.4, running on Debian 9 (64-bit)”). It just shows 2 x “glyph is missing” glyphs. Ah well.

@rorym 🏳️‍🌈:
> Is that an Irish flag in your name? FireFox & Thunderbird have glyphs for it, but Chrome (and Unicode, as best I can tell) do not.

My apologies; your flag is indeed bog-standard utf8. It is simply that Chrome cannot glyph it:–

(from the mail source):

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ologues:

@rorym 🏳️‍🌈: I assume that you are making a joke there, Rory, in the same way that the tale of my discovery of the overwhelming preponderance of men within STEM subjects & activities attempts to be lighthearted. However, many that will read these comments have a sense of humour deficit. Something for both of us to remember in the future, perhaps.

PS
Is that an Irish flag in your name? FireFox & Thunderbird have glyphs for it, but Chrome (and Unicode, as best I can tell) do not.

STEM == “Science, Technology, Engineering and Maths”

(OSM is a classic STEM activity)

I took a STEM degree course in 1968 and, having had a secondary education in an all-boys Grammar School, was looking forward to being able to meet girls at University. I was then profoundly depressed to discover that my course was 99.9% boys. In 1998 I provided technical support for an Internet Service Provider, and in 2003 Network support for the NHS; my fellow workers were 99% male in both cases.

It is normal to find a preponderance of men in STEM activities. The reason this UK STEM page is chock-a-block with pictures of girls is because the UK government is desperate to get more girls into STEM as to help fix the UK STEM skills shortage. Unfortunately for the UK, the evidence is that as a country’s sex-equality becomes more balanced even fewer of their women enter STEM activities/education.

British Psychological Society: Research Digest: > March 14, 2018
> Investigating the “STEM gender-equality paradox” – in fairer societies, fewer women enter science

The representation of women in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering and maths) is increasing, albeit more slowly than many observers would like. But a focus on this issue has begun throwing up head-scratching anomalies, such as Finland, which has one of the larger gender gaps in STEM occupations, despite being one of the more gender equal societies, and boasting a higher science literacy rate in its girls than boys. Now a study in Psychological Science has used an international dataset of almost half a million participants that confirms what they call the “STEM gender-equality paradox”: more gender-equal societies have fewer women taking STEM degrees.

PLOS ONE:
> April 21, 2016
> Countries with Higher Levels of Gender Equality Show Larger National Sex Differences in Mathematics Anxiety and Relatively Lower Parental Mathematics Valuation for Girls

Despite international advancements in gender equality across a variety of societal domains, the underrepresentation of girls and women in Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) related fields persists. In this study, we explored the possibility that the sex difference in mathematics anxiety contributes to this disparity.

The above suggests that, if you want more women to get involved in OSM, then the best way to achieve that will be to reduce the levels of sex-equality in your country. I can understand that that may not be acceptable to most folks reading this! (including me) but perhaps you get the point.

Now a note on research bias (2nd link):

If you set out to research ‘xyz’ with a pre-disposition that it is (to be simplistic) either good (or bad) then guess what? You will more than likely discover that it is indeed good (or bad, or however you were predisposed to find it to be). This kind of perversion of truth has been well known for centuries, and yet people continue to fall into those kind of errors even to this day.

As the old Irish tale goes, “If you want to get to there, I wouldn’t start from here”.

Please note the difference between “hearing” & “listening”. The first is a function of biology, but the second requires also integration of brain & body. In other words, everybody hears, but only a few actually listen.

@wonderchook: Heather and I are BOTH women in OSM and are saying it is an issue. We have both experienced issues … Other women have approached me in the past citing issues, hence one of the reasons for hosting this workshop.

Ah, OK. I had not realised before this statement that “gender diversity” actually translates in practice into “not a heterosexual male”. My mistake. How silly of me. Thinking that words mean what the dictionary declares them to be.

gender: (Merriam-Webster): > 1. a subclass within a grammatical class of a language 2. sex

diversity: (Merriam-Webster): > 1. the condition of having or being composed of differing elements

Now call me strange, but I simply cannot translate the above two definitions in combination as “not a man”. It does just not compute.

@mikelmaron: I also have heard specifically from women and gender minorities in OSM that they have experienced problems.

And once again, still no concrete examples, just hand-waving “ooh, I/we/they have been discriminated against”. Who? What? Where? When? How? (plus a guess at) Why? How come you are all unable to understand a call from multiple people for “concrete evidence” is a call for “substantia”, rather than just more hand-waving.

this topic may not be for you

Well, I now understand that it is not a topic for heterosexual men. Yes, I’ve now got that point (sigh).

@mvexel If we keep saying there isn’t an issue … the least we can do is listen

Who isn’t listening? We are listening very carefully and saying “please give us examples of the problem so that we can get a grip on where & what it is”.

Once again, there are 5 years worth of Diversity talk. I’ve had a quick look through but can only see posts from Heather asking for non-heterosexual men to post examples of their problems. I’ve therefore asked for urls linking to some replies which example the problem that Heather states bedevils OSM. If the problems are as extensive & problematic as Heather states they are it will be a matter of moments for her or others to dig them out from their archives & post them here. Then, no-one will be able to gainsay what she is saying.

There are issues with how OSM collectively manages diversity, inclusion, and community engagement.

I’m happy to learn that you are such an open & welcoming person that “people are approaching me and sharing”, but the absence from all your statements of even one piece of concrete evidence undermines what you say. Here is something that may help…

I see that Diversity talk is now in it’s 6th year, having been created on June 11, 2013. It seems to get less posts each month than the number of letters in ‘LGBTQ’, and most certainly less than the current number of acceptable gender pronouns. Nevertheless…

So, after 5 years of posts, help us out:– how many of those posts are reports of problems experienced in OSM re: diversity? If the answer is zero, will you then agree that this is a non-issue?

Just in case you did not spot the URL link to a mobile network in the middle of all that text:- that is SPAM. Please delete it a bit more quickly.