Hi @Stereo

Yes indeed; something used to be there but is no longer (this is the view from the bottom, looking towards the left, which is East towards Nottingham town centre):-

Development in the area has been so extensive that old maps are unlikely to help (although I looked at all that I could find) (none online). Here are some facts to try to help:-

1. The Street that the no-name street connects to is called Blue Bell Hill Road (BBH)
2. Houses on BBH were first built about 1880.
3. As best as I can tell, the BBH Victorian houses were NOT built locally on this side (that entire stretch was empty), but only on the south side of the street.
4. The nearest Victorian building on this side appears to be St Bartholomew’s Church (built 1894, demolished 1971) and located on what is now Wickens Walk
5. The current houses on this (north) side were built ~1970 as part of a complete re-development of this part of Nottingham. The greatest majority of the existing housing was demolished at that time, including a very large part of BBH. As it happens, most of the BBH Victorian houses close to no-name street were retained but that was unusual and, in any case, no-name street did not exist in Victorian times.

I’ve lived fairly close to this street since the 1980s and have never heard a whisper of just why this very odd street exists, nor how it has become orphaned in such a way.

Hi @d1g

This may seem strange or unusual to you, but I constantly work to gain a perception that encompasses more than just myself & my own biases.

It’s a good job that Lewis & Clark were unaffiliated to the OSM organisation.

PS
I’ll call middle-class idiots that try to steal my smartphone & strike me any damn thing that I like.

Interesting comment, @escada. With ~400 people uploading 1,000,000 photos every 2 days (manual + mobile) (73k people => 183m photos yearly), then god knows how many folks viewing those photos, the possible miracle is that the servers manage to stay afloat. I spent 15+ years managing a single webserver and recall continual firefighting as I battled attempted scrapes (max 403 / second from Technicolor) & spam. Yet that was with a quiet machine. Goodness knows what Mapillary or OSM must be like.

Then try mapping it rather than spamming this Diary. Or have you not yet got the point of OSM? Which is to map things.

@Warin61: > I am still finding roads and tracks to put on the map

In Britain the Ordnance Survey map was finally released under a copyright acceptable for OSM, so all the streets are fully imported. It needs only a few trims to get it perfectly correct. That mostly leaves the houses. They are a long, long business: 76 houses on one circular street took ~1 hour to survey (and twice that normally to put up on the map).

“… a little bit of an inconvenience to drive on this stretch”

How splendid! I did not realise that the Japanese deployed British-style under-statement.

That is a smashing sinkhole, and well done for your rapid response in mapping it. However, at 30m it is a long way below the 120m Russian Sinkhole that emerged in September 2015.

Thanks Andy, I’ll add a Coda to the Diary pointing out your comments.

You are big on declamation but missing on reason. Why are they better channels? And why not a Diary entry? What’s the big deal that causes you to come over so proscriptive so quickly?

Hello Richard 2

If there was a method for me to delete those Posts after they became redundant I would do so (just like if it was possible to edit these comments I would add afterthoughts to the original comment rather than write another).

Hello Richard

There is one difference between my ‘notes’ & the other ‘notes’: mine arn’t spam (and neither are they complaints they are an attempt to help).

Thanks for the step-by-step on IRC; that’s the kind of thing that I need. I’ll give that another go next time - much appreciated.

Hi Harry

Because I do not know any quicker or better way to get the info. I take it that you do not know either?

I tried to use IRC as per your earlier comment some months ago & was highly unsuccessful. So far, these diary posts are 100% successful in getting rid of the spam. Good enough for me.

Seems that the people that matter make a point of reading notes on trees in Hyde Park.

You have mis-read my post; I ask for the spam to be re-moved, not re-ported. If I could remove that user myself then I would do so.

More wiki links for you:-

• Karlsruhe Schema

This is the format that I’ve used across the last 7 months to map houses + house addresses, although I never knew until a few hours ago that it was known by this name. It uses addr:* tags; they are in the wiki here:-

• Key:addr

Hello @stragu

Takes a long while to add addresses, doesn’t it? Well done for taking the time & trouble.

The wiki that you need to refer to is probably Tag:building=apartments#addressing

My suggestion is that you think of it in this manner:

1. Address numbers are most commonly placed on a way, but this is a building way.
   Thus, for buildings which are a single number or a range of numbers (eg 6-14), draw the building, and place all addr:* tags into the building. The standard OSM map will display “housenumber housename” within the building outline.
2. Alternatively, address numbers may be placed in a node. In general, the consideration is, I think, that this will be done to quickly place a large range of addresses which later will each be incorporated into a building way.
3. A combination of the two above is used with apartments (flats, condominiums) where the entire apartment gets a building way, and the entrances are marked as nodes on the building outline (tag: entrance=*). The various addr:* tags can then be distributed between the building way & the entrance nodes.
4. Finally, your situation of a complex of buildings as an apartment complex. For this, @Glassman’s is the perfect example: draw each building in the complex, marking up the addresses for each individual building in the normal way. Then, draw an area to mark the complex perimeter, placing landuse=residential + name=name-of-complex in the area.

HTH

Hi @naoliv
Your words are interesting & would be applicable if only Junkstore (as the obvious example) had been removed 23 minutes later, rather than still in place 23 days later. So, sorry, but you are speaking the exact opposite to the truth.

Good point, @Stereo, I never thought of that. Bureaucrats using a terrorism excuse to cover up their inaction. Yup, sounds certain to me.

Humour?

This is how I’ve solved the ‘Official name’ / ‘Local name’ issue for my local streets (check out Donkey Hill to see it in action):

• Official: name=Saint Bartholomew's Road
• Local: ref=Donkey Hill

Works very well with (importantly) both names showing up on the map.

Inglés: I use OSMTracker under Android and can import GPX under JOSM and it all works fine.
Spanish: Yo uso OSMTracker bajo Android y puede importar GPX bajo JOSM y todo funciona bien.