Report to the Data Working Group (DWG). It is vandalism. Do not stand for it - the DWG are used to removing vandals.

(the “`” is actually a grave accent on the ls command part … the one on the same key as the tilde for American English keyboards)

The name of that character is “backtick” (inline execution operator in Linux, and also used within Markdown to produce inline code). On UK keyboards it is found immediately under the Esc key.

Having said all that, as @Marcos Dione so expertly explains above, you do not need it in the context of a for-do block, since the for() will expand the block for you.

up to date Chrome

Hmm. Mine is up-to-date Chromium (“Version 66.0.3359.117 (Developer Build) built on Debian 9.4, running on Debian 9 (64-bit)”). It just shows 2 x “glyph is missing” glyphs. Ah well.

@rorym 🏳️‍🌈:
> Is that an Irish flag in your name? FireFox & Thunderbird have glyphs for it, but Chrome (and Unicode, as best I can tell) do not.

My apologies; your flag is indeed bog-standard utf8. It is simply that Chrome cannot glyph it:–

(from the mail source):

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@rorym 🏳️‍🌈: I assume that you are making a joke there, Rory, in the same way that the tale of my discovery of the overwhelming preponderance of men within STEM subjects & activities attempts to be lighthearted. However, many that will read these comments have a sense of humour deficit. Something for both of us to remember in the future, perhaps.

PS
Is that an Irish flag in your name? FireFox & Thunderbird have glyphs for it, but Chrome (and Unicode, as best I can tell) do not.

STEM == “Science, Technology, Engineering and Maths”

(OSM is a classic STEM activity)

I took a STEM degree course in 1968 and, having had a secondary education in an all-boys Grammar School, was looking forward to being able to meet girls at University. I was then profoundly depressed to discover that my course was 99.9% boys. In 1998 I provided technical support for an Internet Service Provider, and in 2003 Network support for the NHS; my fellow workers were 99% male in both cases.

It is normal to find a preponderance of men in STEM activities. The reason this UK STEM page is chock-a-block with pictures of girls is because the UK government is desperate to get more girls into STEM as to help fix the UK STEM skills shortage. Unfortunately for the UK, the evidence is that as a country’s sex-equality becomes more balanced even fewer of their women enter STEM activities/education.

British Psychological Society: Research Digest: > March 14, 2018
> Investigating the “STEM gender-equality paradox” – in fairer societies, fewer women enter science

The representation of women in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering and maths) is increasing, albeit more slowly than many observers would like. But a focus on this issue has begun throwing up head-scratching anomalies, such as Finland, which has one of the larger gender gaps in STEM occupations, despite being one of the more gender equal societies, and boasting a higher science literacy rate in its girls than boys. Now a study in Psychological Science has used an international dataset of almost half a million participants that confirms what they call the “STEM gender-equality paradox”: more gender-equal societies have fewer women taking STEM degrees.

PLOS ONE:
> April 21, 2016
> Countries with Higher Levels of Gender Equality Show Larger National Sex Differences in Mathematics Anxiety and Relatively Lower Parental Mathematics Valuation for Girls

Despite international advancements in gender equality across a variety of societal domains, the underrepresentation of girls and women in Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) related fields persists. In this study, we explored the possibility that the sex difference in mathematics anxiety contributes to this disparity.

The above suggests that, if you want more women to get involved in OSM, then the best way to achieve that will be to reduce the levels of sex-equality in your country. I can understand that that may not be acceptable to most folks reading this! (including me) but perhaps you get the point.

Now a note on research bias (2nd link):

If you set out to research ‘xyz’ with a pre-disposition that it is (to be simplistic) either good (or bad) then guess what? You will more than likely discover that it is indeed good (or bad, or however you were predisposed to find it to be). This kind of perversion of truth has been well known for centuries, and yet people continue to fall into those kind of errors even to this day.

As the old Irish tale goes, “If you want to get to there, I wouldn’t start from here”.

Please note the difference between “hearing” & “listening”. The first is a function of biology, but the second requires also integration of brain & body. In other words, everybody hears, but only a few actually listen.

@wonderchook: Heather and I are BOTH women in OSM and are saying it is an issue. We have both experienced issues … Other women have approached me in the past citing issues, hence one of the reasons for hosting this workshop.

Ah, OK. I had not realised before this statement that “gender diversity” actually translates in practice into “not a heterosexual male”. My mistake. How silly of me. Thinking that words mean what the dictionary declares them to be.

gender: (Merriam-Webster): > 1. a subclass within a grammatical class of a language 2. sex

diversity: (Merriam-Webster): > 1. the condition of having or being composed of differing elements

Now call me strange, but I simply cannot translate the above two definitions in combination as “not a man”. It does just not compute.

@mikelmaron: I also have heard specifically from women and gender minorities in OSM that they have experienced problems.

And once again, still no concrete examples, just hand-waving “ooh, I/we/they have been discriminated against”. Who? What? Where? When? How? (plus a guess at) Why? How come you are all unable to understand a call from multiple people for “concrete evidence” is a call for “substantia”, rather than just more hand-waving.

this topic may not be for you

Well, I now understand that it is not a topic for heterosexual men. Yes, I’ve now got that point (sigh).

@mvexel If we keep saying there isn’t an issue … the least we can do is listen

Who isn’t listening? We are listening very carefully and saying “please give us examples of the problem so that we can get a grip on where & what it is”.

Once again, there are 5 years worth of Diversity talk. I’ve had a quick look through but can only see posts from Heather asking for non-heterosexual men to post examples of their problems. I’ve therefore asked for urls linking to some replies which example the problem that Heather states bedevils OSM. If the problems are as extensive & problematic as Heather states they are it will be a matter of moments for her or others to dig them out from their archives & post them here. Then, no-one will be able to gainsay what she is saying.

There are issues with how OSM collectively manages diversity, inclusion, and community engagement.

I’m happy to learn that you are such an open & welcoming person that “people are approaching me and sharing”, but the absence from all your statements of even one piece of concrete evidence undermines what you say. Here is something that may help…

I see that Diversity talk is now in it’s 6th year, having been created on June 11, 2013. It seems to get less posts each month than the number of letters in ‘LGBTQ’, and most certainly less than the current number of acceptable gender pronouns. Nevertheless…

So, after 5 years of posts, help us out:– how many of those posts are reports of problems experienced in OSM re: diversity? If the answer is zero, will you then agree that this is a non-issue?

Just in case you did not spot the URL link to a mobile network in the middle of all that text:- that is SPAM. Please delete it a bit more quickly.

‘easy to ignite’ … not so easy within an air balloon.

That is fair comment. They needed incendiary (or tracer) bullets to ignite the hydrogen. Nevertheless, Zeppelins turned out to be a dead-end and easy to bring down. I also have the picture of the Hindenburg burning in the ’30s etched into my eyeballs & ears. Possibly static-electric discharges within the structure was one vulnerability for both the Hindenburg & the Zeppelins.

@TheSwavu:
Thanks TheSwavu but gosh, it’s more than a touch boring!

One thing that that version of OSM exemplifies, perhaps, is the necessary pairing between science & art. The video produced by Telenav is art with a scientific core or, to put it another way, science graced by art. The later video may well be scientifically accurate but has little grace, which is a shame.

Please remove this spam. It’s embarrassing.

@Alan: I’ll try to post more often, but no promises.

Reflecting on the state of the OSM community, participants cited a sick culture, hostile, not welcoming for women and other genders.

You do realise that the phrase “women and other genders” explicitly includes both sexes, and therefore causes the sentence meaning to not be clear? In addition, at no point have you specified your own sex nor gender, and it is therefore difficult to pick out your point of view in your post with any certainty. That leads each reader to make assumptions which may well be erroneous.

code of conduct

Having read posts by Nakaner and Severin & others it seems that one of your constant refrains is the desire, encouragement or actual action to enforce restraint or punishment upon other people for breaking codes of conduct that you perceive to be reasonable. That is an unfortunate characteristic in any person, and dangerously so in anyone — such as yourself — that has gained power over others.

You obviously do not like mapping (337 changesets to map 409 buildings across 7 years? Are you trying to have a laugh?). That, together with the above, suggests that your sole interest in HOT or OSMF or OSM may be as a power-trip, using OSM as a stepping stone to future successes. Let’s hope that you do not leave HOT, OSM or OSMF as grave-stones in your wake.

25 April 2017 at 06:54: > There are 276 spammers reported on that wiki page. The top one is Café Verde Web, and has been in place for > 2 years. Do you really consider that there is any point in adding a new spammer at the bottom of that list? What would be the point?

Looking at it just now there are 334 spammers listed, many with extra comments to try to get Admin attention to the problem. The top entry is still Café Verde Web. So, 3 months later and an additional 58 reports are being ignored.

The Spam page (thanks @Matija Nalis) was originally started for the purpose that the Report-User page is now used for. So, the stats go like this:-

1. Spam page 31 October 2008‎: 1 user reported (page started)
2. Spam page 21 November 2008‎: 11 users reported, 2 active
3. Spam page 31 May 2014: 312 users reported
4. Spam page 28 August 2014: 379 users reported
5. Spam page 31 August 2015: 93 users reported, inc Café Verde Web
6. Spam page 30 August 2016: 206 users reported
7. Spam page 23:28, 27 February 2017: 273 users reported
8. Spam page 00:04, 28 February 2017: page cleared of reported users, transferred to Report_user
9. Report-user page 23:41 27 February 2017‎: page started with 2 users from Spam page
10. Report-user page 23:58 27 February 2017‎: 253 users transferred from Spam page
11. Report-user page 25 April 2017: 276 users reported
12. Report-user page 2 August 2017: 334 users reported

From the above it is clear that many OSM users are desperate to keep the site clear of spammers. Sadly, I think that many Admin react to spam reports as a personal affront†. Whatever the reason, in the 9 years since 2008 it has NOT been successfully pro-actively dealt with.

† To be clear, the problem would be that they are NOT affronted by spammers, but rather that they are upset by the report of spam. This is similar to the issue highlighted by Shakespeare in the story of Cleopatra attacking the messenger that informs her of the death of Julius Caesar. The reaction is reasonable, but the attribution prevents effective action.

Urbán Máté: > It seems that weather was perfect

Indeed, even though my smartphone camera circuitry seems to have problems with a blue sky & often shows it white instead. I have white hair and, even 2 days later, the sunburn on my scalp really hurts.

@n76:
> I wonder if the multi-language system setting ability is a generic Nougat feature or specific to crDroid and/or other Lineage based ROMs

I did not spend ages searching, but it does appear to be a stock feature of Nougat. eg http://www.androidcentral.com/android-70-your-language-your-way However, such feature changes normally takes ages & ages to trickle down & be supported by non-Google apps.

Gosh, but I was eager to try this out but, in the end, have very mixed feelings. Most of my time is spent adding houses (currently in Mapperley, Nottinghamshire). Whilst I’m grateful to have something to use to draw house outlines from, I’ve kept having satellite envy at how much sharper Google imagery is than Bing. No longer!

In my neck of the woods:–

• Google is far sharper than Bing
• Bing is sharper than DG
• DG is sharper than Mapbox

But then…

• Google is usually newer than Bing
• Bing is sometimes newer than Google
• DG is newer than Bing
• Mapbox is newer than Bing

So, my search for sharper, newer satellite imagery continues (yet DG is providing much-needed, if blurry, imagery right now, for which many thanks).

@James Derrick:–
I’m not so sure of the “calm” there, James, but thank you for your feedback.

@michalfabik:–
Hi Michal

Whoa. It took some time (the computer that contained the relevant email had previously crashed; fortunately my updates proved to be successful & eventually I was able to find the email that contained the link).

Flyer links:–

• Wiki (also the place for your translation link)
• flyer design source SVG

A big shout-out to Andy Allan who designed the current flyers, and is so cool that he is named twice.

My sole suggestion in the text is to use the short URL (‘osm.org’) rather than the full URL (‘osm.org/’), as it is easier to remember.