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134639630 over 2 years ago

As for the Wikidata item, Q937694 represents the East Side Access construction project. Now that construction is over and it's in service, it needs a new Wikidata item for the Grand Central Branch anyway. So deleting it may have been a mistake, but it wasn't a big deal in this case.

134639630 over 2 years ago

Do you work for the LIRR? If so, it's important to make sure the information you're adding is copyright-compatible with OpenStreetMap. If the timetable has a copyright notice on it, please ask LIRR management or lawyers for written confirmation that it's okay to use it as a source for OpenStreetMap.

If you can get written confirmation, we'd love to see photos or scans of the relevant info. Copyright-compatible sources are hard to come by in railway mapping, so this would be immensely helpful for us all.

134639630 over 2 years ago

Also, could you please clarify what LIRR ETT SI GO 102 is, and where we can find it?

134639630 over 2 years ago

The Midday Yard Lead should just have that alone as the name.

How come the Midday Yard lead was changed from service=yard to usage=main?

126707946 over 2 years ago

The Morgantown PRT is not a guided busway. A regular bus with special guideway equipment should be able to traverse highway=bus_guideway. This fixed-guideway transit system doesn't support street vehicles.

While the Morgantown PRT isn't really a monorail, we use "monorail" on OSM as a de facto catch-all for any unusual urban or small-scale fixed-guideway transit systems. As Claudius mentioned above, this system was previously tagged as a monorail, and perhaps in the future we could devise a better tagging scheme for people movers, but right now "monorail" is the best we've got.

Could you please revert this to rubber-tired monorail tagging?

125626193 over 2 years ago

Hi Himké,

This changeset introduces a new value of network, CA:NS:H:toll. Currently, OpenStreetMap-Americana [1] renders shields for the network values CA:transcanada, CA:NS:H, CA:NS:T and CA:NS:R. Does this segment of Highway 104 have signage different from other Trans-Canada or 100-series highways in Nova Scotia? If so, I'd like to add it to our shield rendering inventory.

[1] https://zelonewolf.github.io/openstreetmap-americana/#map=9.11/45.4626/-63.6752

134193624 over 2 years ago

I see. Strange that the Alaska Railroad is included with the Anchorage Public Transportation Department. It should probably have its own page, though I guess that's something I can fix when I have time.

134193624 over 2 years ago

It's unclear what in particular this changeset fixed, but thanks for letting me know. I may add more areas to the analysis tool in the future.

125292779 over 2 years ago

It's true, the distinction between usage=main and usage=branch isn't clear and can sometimes be subjective. Long Island is a case of terminal topography, so it makes sense that a main line might dead-end on the eastern tip of the island. But if you look a map that renders usage=*, like OpenRailwayMap, the Raritan Valley Line is overshadowed by the Lehigh Line which still forms a connective mainline.

I do agree that usage=main may be appropriate if and when the line gets reactivated to Easton/Allentown. Until then, though, it looks out-of-place in relation to other tracks with usage=main.

125292779 over 2 years ago

What this line 'lost' was the track west of High Bridge, severing that end of the old main line and turning it into a branch. It may have been a main line in its heyday, but it no longer performs that function.

On OSM, we classify main tracks into usage=main, usage=branch or usage=industrial based on their relationship to the broader railway network. usage=main supports mostly through trains (e.g. yard-to-yard freight trains or intercity trains that skip many stops), and usage=branch only supports local trains (e.g. suburban passenger trains or freight trains that deliver to customers along the line).

There are usage=main lines out there in the US that dead-end, but in most cases that means there's a sizeable freight yard or intermodal port facilities ready to handle all the through trains. High Bridge is a suburban town—I wouldn't expect it to be a destination for through trains.

125292779 over 2 years ago

Hi 54324288,

How come the Raritan Valley Line was changed to usage=main here? This line dead-ends in High Bridge, and it only carries suburban passenger trains and local freight trains. Shouldn't it have remained usage=branch?

-Clay

133416882 over 2 years ago

My bad, thanks for catching that.

133383917 over 2 years ago

> Also, what's your source for the import?

This is not an import. The source is the OSM data itself. No external data, other than Wikidata items, was added here. I did cross-reference with a GIS dataset produced by the FRA (Federal Railroad Administration), though OSM data already largely matched the dataset so nothing was changed in that regard.

> as far as I'm aware it's still referred to as "Union Pacific Valley Subdivision."

By whom? Certainly not the FRA, Caltrans, or Union Pacific. The Valley Subdivision here was originally tagged with the operator in the name to disambiguate with the Valley Subdivision on the other side of the state operated by SCRRA. But in general, including the operator in railway line names is a discouraged practice—the operator belongs in the operator tag.

133425452 over 2 years ago

Are you reverting this changeset specifically, or more? It seems you are reverting many unrelated changesets without warning.

osm.org/changeset/133527496

osm.org/changeset/133527496

osm.org/changeset/133527514

133425452 over 2 years ago

"since many other railway:position's use decimal numbers, I'm apprehending .0 here to clarify that those mileposts haven't."

This is comparable to tagging `foot=no` on `highway=motorway`. Motorways imply `foot=no`, so it's unnecessary to add the `foot` tag unless the value is something other than `no`. Motorways with `foot=yes` are an exception; railroad mileposts with trailing decimal zeroes are an even rarer exception.

133388647 over 2 years ago

If someone forgets to update both tags and they conflict with each other, please talk to them and try to figure out what they were attempting to do, and help them finish the job. I've added an issue on the Name Suggestion Index repository to hopefully make it less complicated to keep these tags out of conflict. https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/7857

Plus, data consumers can deduce much more information from `operator:wikidata` than from `operator`. If, for example, I want a renderer that displays the reporting marks of railroads, I can determine that by checking the statements in the Wikidata item attached to it.

133388647 over 2 years ago

Nowhere.

Tracks all over the country have been tagged over the years with various names for the same operator (e.g. "CSX", "CSXT", "CSX Transportation"). I went through and made sure all tracks operated by the same company have the same operator value, and added operator:wikidata to mitigate this sort of data degradation in the future. The "longer variant" here is the name of the company without abbreviations, according to OSM conventions.

133425452 over 2 years ago

No, mi:100 means mile 100.

Railroad mileposts are whole numbers. I'm not sure where you picked up the habit of appending ".0" to the value displayed on the actual signs, but it's not necessary to add that to mileposts when they are always signed as whole numbers. Railroad features other than mileposts often have linear referencing positions in tenths and hundredths of miles, but mileposts by definition do not.

133425452 over 2 years ago

What do you mean about accuracy? None of the nodes have been moved.

130172229 over 2 years ago

Hi RDC-DCIfan68,

Thanks for your contribution. Unfortunately I've had to revert it, because the individual park areas within the Barker Reservoir are not excluded from the reservoir—the parks flood if the basin floods.

Reverted here: osm.org/changeset/133503177