Hi,

Thanks for adding the future Ethan Allen Express station. Unfortunately, this is not a currently operating station, so it should not be tagged as a railway station. Since there is already a node nearby at [1] for a proposed railway station, I'm going to remove the one you added. No hard feelings.

-Clay

[1] osm.org/node/8354910447

I'm out in the mountains with limited internet access at the moment, so I'll check when I get home tomorrow. My first guess would be GGT route 101.

My bad! Thanks for taking the time to fix it.

Hi Colin,

As much as I want to engage in this discussion, I'm actually on vacation right now. Do you mind if we pick it up in a couple weeks (around the 27th)? I'll be able to put more thought and effort into this one I'm back home.

-Clay

Hi Ian,

Looks like you added the St. Pete Pier Tram as a tram route. In OpenStreetMap terminology, a tram refers to a railway embedded in the street (aka a streetcar or trolley in the US).

Despite being named a 'tram', the vehicles seem more like buses. I went ahead and retagged it as a bus route. Let me know if you have any thoughts about this.

-Clay

Hi dchiles,

Looks like you merged the train station node onto the station building outline. Stations encompass more than just the buildings, so they should be kept separate. I went ahead and reverted this changeset.

-Clay

Hi Declan,

Looks like you merged the train station node onto the station building outline. Stations encompass more than just the buildings, so they should be kept separate. I went ahead and added the station node back.

-Clay

Hi Andrew,

Looks like you merged the train station node onto the station building outline. Stations encompass more than just the buildings, so they should be kept separate. I went ahead and added the station node back.

-Clay

Stations encompass more than just station buildings, which is why they should be kept separate. I went ahead and re-separated them.

Hi all,

This changeset seems like more than an import. The railway station node for Rowayton got mistakenly merged with the building outline. What happened here?

Hi Zack,

Please do not merge railway station nodes with station building outlines. The station and the building are two different things.

If they're unsigned, I think `unsigned_ref=*` is the best tag to put them in.

Reverted here: osm.org/changeset/104338636

See discussion here: osm.org/changeset/103581943

The stations you changed to tram stops do in fact have dedicated platforms, with tactile pavement and everything. They even have separate wheelchair-accessible platforms. This is in contrast to the various tram stops in San Francisco, for example, which are literally curbside signposts with no extra infrastructure. Such stops are seldom seen on light rail systems built after the '70s.

Other RTD light rail stations do not have enclosing structures. I don't think that's a reasonable criterion to demote them to tram stops.

This system seems to share a lot in common with the light rail stations in downtown Houston, Portland, and Calgary. Operationally, trains always stop at these stations regardless of whether passengers are boarding or exiting. That alone suggests that these should be `railway=station`.

In good faith, I've reverted these changes [1]. Perhaps this needs more discussion with mappers in Colorado. chachafish [2] has done some work on RTD rail; maybe he can help you out.

[1] osm.org/changeset/104338636

[2] osm.org/user/chachafish

Hi Colin,

What is your rationale for changing these light rail stations to `railway=tram_stop`? There is some precedent in using tram stops on light rail lines, but primarily only on legacy streetcar systems where a stop is just a curbside signpost. I don't think this applies to light rail lines that were built from scratch after the '70s or so.

Most mappers on OpenStreetMap care about the situation on the ground, in fact. Do you disagree with how the situation has been tagged by other mappers?

Many NPS-administered lands are listed on that site that aren't national parks. This isn't unique to DC. If you check out Utah, for example, you'll find that Arches and Bryce Canyon have "national park" labeled above them, Cedar Breaks and Dinosaur have "national monument", and Glen Canyon has "national recreation area". All of those are fit to describe as national parks in OSM. Most of the parks listed in DC have no such label above them. They are municipal parks of Washington, DC, which happen to be administered by the NPS. That doesn't necessarily make them national parks.

It looks like you added the bus stops to the Metro station's stop_area relation. Instead, create a new stop_area relation for the bus stops and add both stop_area relations to a stop_area_group relation.

I'm talking about turn restrictions along the main roadway rather than the busway. Of course these don't impact buses, but they're important to map so routing software doesn't direct people to make illegal turns.

Looks generally okay to me. Some nitpicks:

* Nearly all of the bus platforms should be shorter, and preferably mapped as areas. Look for the different-colored pavement along the platform edges. Walkways to the platforms are not part of the platforms themselves.

* Does Euclid Avenue have any turn restrictions along this route?