To Harry,

I love your enthusiasm. Just the way it should be. Please carry on.

Maybe I am confused/wrong or just stupid. True is: The majority of registered users have not contributed anything to OSM in the form of data or services (i.e. the back-room guys without whom none of this would work. They must get the most praise from me).

We are not discussing those users who wish to hide their identity by destroying their account, but those who register for the first time without knowing what is expected of them. When realization kicks in and they decide OSM is not for them (many reasons here) they cannot easily close a registered account.

I far as I understand it and I may be wrong, the only way to close an account is to contact an administrator and ask them to do it for you. Do you really think a newly registered user would know how to do this? I, myself, do not know how to do it, and surely the administrators have better things to do than close user accounts!

Are, therefore, the statistics being interpreted correctly and do they truly mirror our community? Let every man decide for himself. For myself I don’t need hundreds of thousands of redundant users to admire the efforts of the OSM community. It is amazing what has been achieved in a few years and that is something worth promoting.

“We’re trying to promote OpenStreetMap. Nothing wrong with that, so please join in!”

I must be one of the oldest contributors to OSM and of course I will try and promote the concept but I refuse to brag using manipulated statistical data!

We just don’t have 1 million users/contributors and you all know that to be true. If we promote OSM using the 1 million statistic we leave ourselves open to ridicule and I see nothing to be gained from that!

I welcome the “Welcome Working Group” and just hope that they will go about their System Analysis in an applicable manner.

If they want to know why some sign on and do nothing then they must make the suggestion that the sign-out procedure be simplified. Something like this:

-sign-on

-don’t like it

-sign-off with a short multiple-choice questionnaire.

Nothing more is required.

PS As one of the oldest contributors I should sign-off days/months before I die, but you know, there is no simple way to do it, and I am, I think, an experienced contributor. That cannot be right can it?

I don’t know the Nüvi 1300 so what I am about to say may be not applicable. I have a Garmin 60CSx but I would expect that other Garmin products act in the same way.

“stick to the road” You can switch off this function: It is called “Lock On Road”. On the map page, select Menu; then select “Setup Map”. A number of icons appear at the top of the page: Select “General” if it is not already selected.

Move the curser to “Lock On Road” and press ENTR (enter) to off.

Having done so you trace not longer sticks to the road.

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“more frequent nodes” I have set my 60CSx to create a node every second but only when I am moving. This may be possible on your 1300.

Select the “Track Log” page. Select “Setup” Set “Wrap when full” to On (there is more to this and you need to know it!) Set “Record Method” to Distance Set Interval 0.00km

I know that setting the Interval to 0km sounds daft but it works: The nodes are just 1 seconds apart.

You may not need a new piece of equipment. With a bit of luck another user will confirm the above!

Just do it your way but do it. What is important is quality not quantity: You can always go back to the areas you didn’t complete!

Once you have got the hang of JOSM, you’ll never go back to Potlach. Mastering the learning curve is well worth your time.

@ alexz

I agree. The brewery could have a park within its boundary and there are definitely rows of cultured trees (fruit?) also within the boundary. Do you think I should guess it using Bing or leave it for someone with local knowledge?

Good application. I’ll definitely use it. Well done!

I hope that BeWelcome will encourage their users/members to add to the OSM Databank.

I welcome this initiative and I wish you success. See:

osm.org/user/jremillard/diary/18234

for a recent similar discussion on this topic.

The first issue that should be debated is what are the reason(s) for registering in the first place. As this is not the place to discuss anything I’ll leave it for the Welcome Working Group to do so!

@butrus_butrus and tmcw

I am not quite sure with whom you disagree. Just for clarity, I don’t want an automatic account closure concept.

What I would like to see is an easy opt-out for those who sign-in, don’t want it, and want to sign-out: THEY JUST CANNOT DO IT!

Their numbers are probably in the hundreds of thousands.

“Huh? So what happens to any data they’ve contributed?”

I purposely did not go into this issue as it seems to be obvious that those that have signed on have already agreed to the public domain concept. Signing off would not change this at all.

The only easy way for someone to cut-off themselves off from their OSM account is to eliminate their email address with which they have initially registered. They can also “falsely” modify their “My Settings” beforehand.

Unless it is for satisfying statistics I can see no reasons why an OSM account must be kept open when it fulfills not one single purpose.

Surely it is up to the user to decide if he/she wants to quit and the OSMF should make it easy for them to do so.

As one famous historical figure once said;

Don’t trust any statistic that you yourself have not manipulated.

When someone wants to leave the OSM community then it should be made easier for them to do so. The settings page should be made to cover this option. Signing out should be as easy as signing in!

Is it possible that the OSMF want to have all those redundant users (80%) just for propaganda purposes?

How many people sign on and want, for example, just routing? As they cannot see how to get it, they leave and don’t come back. This is because the OSM Homepage is unfortunately inadequate as it does not readily reflect the full capabilities available.

Also I think we should differentiate between users and contributors: Users use the data. This would include for example OsmAnd, openmtbmap etc. Contributors fill the database, do the backroom services, etc. Of course you can be both!

@TomH

I think you may be a little confused. “Üser Diaries” is where random OSM contributors post useful information and comments (it can also be useless and sometimes it is spam i.e. rubbish).

maning is asking a legitimate question.

On https://help.openstreetmap.org/ the OSM Gurus such as Frederick Ramm and SomeoneElse give much needed advice and cannot be considered to be random users.

maning’s question may have been put already to this set of gurus and they may know the answer already.

You should post this question on: https://help.openstreetmap.org/

Es gibt keine pefektes Gerät für OSM. Aber Garmin Geräte sind genau genüg! Was aber fehlt für Daten Sammlung ist ein eingebautes Diktierfunktion und ein eingebautes Camera: i.e. Alle drei TimeStamps wären idententisch. Ein Traumgerät nicht wahr!

What a load of idiotic nonsence

Hi Stephan, das könnte für mich ein Vorteil sein. Mir fehlt einige Kentnisse das ich gerne erläutern möchte. Es wäre gut wenn nicht so viele da wären!

Grüß David

@SB79 Ich bin z.Zt. in Zypern. Mappe E4 (siehe http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/de/?zoom=10&lat=34.94042&lon=33.00914 ). Bin erst am 10.Dez. zu Hause. 4.Dienstag in Dez. fällt wahrscheinlich wegen Weihnachten aus; oder? Versuche in Jan.2013 vorbeizukommen.

@Timmo Das Wiki hat noch viel Nachholbedarf, lass uns da beginnen!

Das kann ich nur bestätigen. Wie wäre es mit ein Übungs-Projekt in Potlach wobei ein fiktive Gebiet angezeigt wird mit alle erdenklichen Tags, Turn-Restrictions, Multipolygons und Relations, usw. Hier könnte dann jeder Newbie interaktiv mit OSM Daten arbeiten. Dies könnte in Schwierigkeitsstufen eingeteilt werden!

Es ist aber leider so das die meisten Menschen ein Gebrauchanleitungen nicht zuerst ganz zu ende lesen bevor sie Anfangen was zu tun. “Learning by doing” steht in Vordergrund bei OSM und nicht “Study first before editing”.

OSM bleibt daher ein “muddle-through” Projekt wo jeder macht was er will. Es ist auch so gewollt von OSMF! Das bedeutet nicht das es auf Dauer gut ist.

Sicherlich wollen sich die Newbies gute Arbeit leisten, aber nicht aller wollen Hinweise annehmen. Ich habe es wiederholt versucht. Meistens bekomme ich überhaupt keine Anwort auf ein Hinweis!

Für mein eDeutsch(*) bitte ich um Nachsicht!

• eDeutsch= english_German

Lass uns erhlich sein. OSM stärker wird nie routing sein. Begrundung: Es gibt zu viel Newbies die von Relations keine Ahnung haben. Wiederholte fehlerhafte Ergänzungen/Änderungen sind daher vorprogramiert. Soweit ich weiss gibt es keine Sperre um Newbies zu stoppen bevor sie ein Fehler machen.

Ich müsste vor kurzen ein komplette Relation neu eingeben (from memory).

Wir werden naturlich immer unterschiedlichen Meinungen sein und das ist gut so. Meine Meinung liegt OSM stärker in Details, d.h. POIs, paths, tracks also Routen für Sportler (Ramblers, Horse Riding, MTB, Bicycle etc.)

Vorgestern habe ich mich auf OSN Autorouting verlassen und ein Stunde mehr Zeit gebraucht als nötig. Dann habe ich das Gerät ausgeschaltet und die Sonne als Navi benützt! For Autorouting kaufe liebe ein echtes Navi. Diese Aussage könnte sich aber ändern wenn OSMF die Newbies ein bisschen wenige erlauben!