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The link for the public version https://sdm.etica.ai/v/0.5/ I made an effort to make it easy and very cheap to host (currently is a client side static vanilla JavaScript+HTML app) and, as a side effect, the privacy of your data is kept.

Since I joined OpenStreetMap in 2022, I’ve done some tools without a graphical interface, and this one I’d love to receive feedback from potential users on such a very niche topic.

Already at early versions of it (I stated a prototype in 2023 mere debug for the real conflation done non interactively before load on OSM editors), I truly attempted to think how to make it as a plugin for JOSM or think how to extend iD instead of keeping it side-by-side with iD or alt-tabbing with JOSM.

The good news: It does have basic support to use one or more files to match by distance and/or by tagging with the one or more target files and then you download the geojson. Okay, addr:street would need language and country level comparison (because misspellings), and also addr:postcode may already have logic to tolerate near matches. If you know vanilla JavaScript to code a function to your country, then it could be more forgiving.

The bad news: for points of interest, the so-called “edgematch links”, “rubber shedding links” or whatever the term to be use to export file “these 0-N items in dataset A matches these 0-N items in dataset B” necessarily need human-in-the-loop and it happens in unpredictable ways. And links which aren’t obvious 1-to-1 (while there’s room for suggestion) require need human input. It started as the “typical leaflet” plus a text-only, but we might need a way to visualize N:M links (unless any you have an UI suggestion to plot such links already over pins in a map!).

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This text is a continuation of my previous diary and do what the title says. The draft already existed 6 months ago, but just today I’m publishing this diary. Anyway, there’s comment I head about this on the @Wikimaps telegram

“You seem to be doing what we were doing 10+ years ago before Wikidata existed” – Maarten Dammers opinion on what this approach doing

Well, he’s right… but there’s a reason for that. This diary have 4 parts, the examples are on 3.

1. Preface

This extension could be perceived as one approach to make general proposed data extraction from OpenStreetMap Wiki, which , in a ABox vs TBox dicotomy, is the closest of a TBox for OpenStreetMap (*).

*: if we ignore id-tagging-schema and, obviously, other custom strategies to explain the meaning of OpenStreetMap data, which could include cartocss used to explain how to render as image. I do have a rudimentary draft of try to make sense of all of her encodings here, but not ready for today.

1.1 Wikibase is not consensus even between what would be ontologists on OpenStreetMap

Tip: for those wanting to view/review some past discussions, check https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Minh_Nguyen/Wikidata_discussions#Wikidata_link_in_wiki_infoboxes. The same page from Minh Nguyen has other links, such as discussions to remove the entire Wikibase extension from OSM.wiki at https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/764.

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This is my first attempt on the subject of the title divided in 6 topics. Sorry for the long text (but could be far longer).

Disclaimer: low experience as OSM mapper!

While I do have prior advanced experience in other areas, as you can see from my account, I’m so new to the project that as a newbie user of iD left after the tutorial in India I got scared that if someone touches something, after that validators will assume that person is responsible for errors in that something. In my case it was “Mapbox: Fictional mapping” from OSMCha.

So assume that this text is written by someone who one day ignored iD warnings for something I touched, still not sure how to fix the changeset 127073124 😐

Some parts of this post, such as reference to notability (from this discussion here osm.wiki/Talk:Wiki#Use_Wikibase_to_document_OSM_software) and gives some hints of unexplored potential which not even current OpenStreetMap Data items are doing (from this discussion here Remove Wikibase extension from all OSM wikis #764) are the reason for the dismistifing part of the title.

1. Differences in notability of Wikidata, Wikipedia, and Commons make what is acceptable different in each project

I tried to find how OpenStreetMap defines notability, but the closest I found was this:

For sake of this post:

What I discovered is that Commons already is used as a suggested place to host for example images, in particular what would go on the OpenStreetMap Wiki.

Wikipedia is likely to be far more well known than Wikidata and (I suppose) people know that Wikipedias tend to be quite strict on what goes there.

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This was my original question on the Wiki :

The OpenStreetMap Foundation ("OSMF") already had discussions and even a committee on takeover mitigation and this question focuses on this topic. The Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team United States Inc ("HOTUSI"), which it's grow up over 100x OSMF budget (using 2020 as year, 26,562,141 USD vs 226,273 GBP), on its board minutes date 2022-01-24 (archived version here) already admitted interest on trademark agreement "with clear, irrevocable rights to the name" as option to "Ensure that the HOT Brand name is not in danger and is formerly in HOT’s hands", however this explicitly require OpenStreetMap Foundation approval at least once in its history. Already before this election, the new discourse community, which is public know have receive support from HOTUSI, had a paid HOTUSI employee closing a discussion about HOTUSI which also asked why the site redesign still being delayed to a point of know to not happens before the OpenStreetMap Foundation election, even if this already was asked on OSMF mail lists, and the incident sparked a discussion on handling conflict of interest on moderation channels. At this very moment of the history of OpenStreetMap, majority of candidates in this election do have links with HOTUSI, so it is viable that the result will allow a single corporation to make decisions in self interest against OSMF, in which you hopefully will win as a candidate. So the question to you is: how will you handle conflicts of interest in the OpenStreetMap Foundation board itself under this challenging context?

Regardless of this, I’m actually very okay with the set of official questions proposed for candidates to be asked to answer, since common themes were grouped. And the fact to point to the Trademark Policy was better than the ones I used to contextualize. Fantastic!

New absurd events

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The original of this post is on Discourse https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/what-happens-if-let-others-keep-sponsoring-against-openstreetmap/4343?u=fititnt .


The ad (circa 2017)

Source

https://twitter.com/sp8962/status/838676848301260800

Finances (2020, around 100x difference without need to do any core function)

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