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136270210 about 2 years ago

Hi, the cycle lanes are already mapped on Rock Road, see `cycleway` tag e.g. osm.org/way/4899944#map=18/53.30366/-6.18527

135034808 over 2 years ago

I found it mapped as a (non-mini) roundabout with one of the nodes on the circle being a mini roundabout tag on one of the nodes in the circular way. I wasn't certain that it was a mini roundabout so decide to simply delete the mini roundabout tag and keep the circular way.

79167519 over 2 years ago

Hi, if the English name is a correct translation it should be retained in name:en tag rather than deleted altogether.

133644327 over 2 years ago

Hi.
Why was the footpath between Killakee View and Ballycullen Drive deleted?

133644220 over 2 years ago

Hi.
Why was the footpath between Kilakee Walk and Firhouse Shopping Centre deleted?

131572095 over 2 years ago

Thanks, I joined the list, but I'm waiting for another email to be sent in that thread, so I have something in my inbox which enables me to reply in the thread.

131572095 over 2 years ago

There are merits to each approach. The internationally practiced approaches are compatible with Ireland.
osm.wiki/Bicycle gives sufficient guidance.

131572095 over 2 years ago

1. Yes, not good to have a conflicting approaches. I prefer tagging on the roadway for the most part, but to convince everyone to use one consistent approach, and replace everything that has already been mapped, is just not feasible.

2. Yes of course.

3. That is unfortunate. I haven't seen what it actually looks like on a Garmin, but I find it hard to lay the blame on osm data for a map readability issue.

4. To give some examples,
when I'm going to cycle to somewhere far away that I've never cycled to before, I sometimes find it useful to know which roads have cycle lanes/tracks, e.g. to plan a route that is faster/safer/less hilly/more direct/more enjoyable/[insert preference here].
Someone could also do this to optimise their commute to work/school etc.

I suppose someone could analyse the data using a tool such as overpass turbo to generate statistics about cycle provisions in a given area if they wanted to. This statistical information could then be used for many purposes.

131572095 over 2 years ago

*I meant to say "I wasn't informed of this agreement" in point 1.

131572095 over 2 years ago

I'll answer with respect to the section north of Grand Canal heading past the petrol station on Adamstown Road. (It's hard to tell from your changeset where the other deleted sections (if any) are, since osm doesn't plot the location of deleted objects).

I'm not against having on-road cycleway tags in cases like Adamstown Road, but you just deleted the separately mapped cycle paths without replacing them with on-road cycleway tags.
That's why I posted my comment yesterday.

Anyway, to address your points:
1. When I started contributing to OSM, I asked the OpenStreetMap Ireland group on Telegram what the consensus was on which cycle track/lane mapping approach to use in Ireland. I was informed of this agreement, rather to follow the guidelines/examples given by OSM (wiki).
I would like to know more about this general agreement.

2. The cycle path is not still mapped as part of the road. North of the Grand Canal, where you deleted the separately mapped cycle paths, there isn't a cycle path mapped as part of the road.

3. Readability of the map depends on what application you are using to view the map?
If you want to show that there is only one bridge when there are several ways marked as bridge, you can add a bridge area/outline as per osm.wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dbridge
This approach is widely used around Dublin for example.

4. The crossing node at intersections with the cycle path and minor roads showed this need to yield. For example I added crossings where the path intersects the petrol station entrace/exit: osm.org/node/9840063853
Admittedly I didn't tag every single minor road intersection node with a highway=crossing node, but anyone who wishes to add this extra level of detail is free to do so.

It was exactly because of the frequent yielding that I chose to use a separately mapped cycle path here.
With the on-road cycleaway tag there is no way to indicate that cyclists must yield at every junction. How can the on-the-road cycleway tag convey the need to yield to every minor road/driveway?

131572095 over 2 years ago

Hi Dafo43,
Can you please give an explanation for deleting some shared cycle+foot paths around Adamstown Road?

127020248 over 2 years ago

Hi, your source of information for naming this road osm.org/way/598950660 is copyrighted. It can't be used as a source for adding stuff in OSM.

130305796 over 2 years ago

My previous comment was supposed to contain this link aswell: osm.org/way/1123737263

130305796 over 2 years ago

Some of the roads you added don't seem to exist anymore.

If you look at the Bing aerial imagery (Apr 2021) and compare with Maxar, it looks like some of the roads were only built for temporary construction vehicle access, and removed once the north runway was completed.

These are the two roads I noticed. I didn't go through your whole changeset.
osm.org/way/1123737261#map=19/53.43467/-6.27275
osm.org/way/1123737267

126812337 almost 3 years ago

What you did was sufficient to restore the connection - thanks for that.

However I have made further changes including removing the unnecessary parallel cycle tracks since there was already more suitable tagging present on the road. Also made a couple of other changes which are unrelated to yours.
osm.org/changeset/126869133

I expect that when komoot and other's do their next periodic update of their OSM map data, the route planner will send cyclists going from Spawell to Tallaght village via Glenview Lawns.

126812337 almost 3 years ago

I've checked out komoot, and I think I see what the problem is.
If you look at komoot's map (which currently shows the version of the map before your changes) somebody has disconnected the cycle track coming from the M50 underpass where it joins the main road at Glenview Lawns and instead connected it to a foot path. As a consequence, komoot thinks there is no way to cycle from Spawell to Tallaght village via Glenview Lawns.
osm.org/way/1077137370

126812337 almost 3 years ago

What do you mean wasn't working?
This is a common approach to mapping roads that have bicycle symbols painted on the general traffic lanes.
If the route planner doesn't understand cycleway=shared_lane, then I think that is a problem with the routing software, not the map data.

Using your approach, how would a route planner know the difference between this road, where cyclists share the lane with all other vehicles, and a segregated off-road cycle track such as osm.org/way/1011547038?

126812337 almost 3 years ago

Hi,
After reading the description it sounds like you may not have noticed that the cycle path is already mapped here.

The cycle lane information is already contained here, but using a different approach, whereby the information is stored in the road object itself (cycleway=shared_lane): osm.org/way/26655357#map=19/53.29020/-6.33535

125610001 almost 3 years ago

Ok. I have added an unmarked crossing so pedestrians can get from the footpath at the point just after the cycle and footpath ends, to the road.

125610001 almost 3 years ago

Hi, I'm not certain, but it looks like the connection that exists between the shared cycle and foot path at Tallaght Bypass (osm.org/way/404665415) and Glenview Park, was removed by this changeset.
As a result there is no way for a cyclist to continue from that shared cycle and foot surface at Tallaght Bypass into Glenview Park, and vice versa.
If this was you and you feel there is a better way of representing such a connection, I'm happy to discuss. Otherwise, I will restore the link.