Nää pitäis olla highway=service kyllä varmaankin.

Tällä talolla pitäisi ilmeisimmin olla molemmille kaduille osoite, korjasin niin että lisäsin sen 30:n omana nodena ja muutin tämän takaisin Professorintie 2:ksi.

Laittaisin mielummin alt_name:ksi ton Malmin jäähallin. Ja se ei muuten taida olla muuten enää Vaunula Areenakaan, kun sain sen nimen vaihdettua vihdoin joku aika sitten, se vaihtui taas joksikin muuksi tosi pian. En nyt valitettavasti muista enää mikä se nyt olikaan tällä hetkellä, kun en ole muistanut ottaa ylös ohikulkiessani.

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Hmm, mielenkiintoista... Osaatko kertoa miksi opasteessa lukee "väärä nimi":

osm.org/node/665155581

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I've reverted this now so that we won't forget to do that.

Ah, now I got. You seemed to remove duplicate object but please put a proper comment next time. The highway=footway was bogus addition though I think and I removed that.

Why why why? What are you doing and why? This has nothing to do with alignment!

While I somewhat agree with you on current usefulness of these particular tags (which is why I said only "questionable" :-)), I think that the problem is deeper in this process. That is, now it's only you alone who decided that these two in particular are not needed. ...It could be some other tags next time and therefore mappers who survey things would now need to fear for their work vanishing due to some deciding to remove from OSM because of housekeeping efforts :-(! I suppose that also you'd acknowledge that some other mapper might not be as careful as you might be. In addition, even if this "error-correction process" through feedback from locals (or from DWG) works as constructively as with you, it takes some amount of time from both of us to write, which is away from other mapping related things.

So the situation here is like this: Both of us know these tags are (likely) correct (match reality) and were acquired through laborous means of survey. As such, it's only question about whether this information (in addition to smoothness or other suggested alternatives) is wanted to be kept in OSM or not? And here comes the problem where I think that the mechanical edit guidelines would offer some level of protection against somebody just deciding that other peoples work (survey+data input, even if the data amount currently are minuscule on planet wide scale) is not worth keeping at all as it would allow feedback. This is the reason why I think (IMHO) it would be wise to subject especially this kind of removals under mechanical edits policy, whereas applying it to trivial typo fixes on the other hand would be way too heavy handed (and would just make people to ignore guidelines or avoid doing useful cleanup efforts). Do you see what I mean? And do you agree that mechanical edits policy might make careless removals less likely or occur?

Avara (name) and avara=spacious (adjective) are also two different things :-).

Typo fixes are very good and useful indeed.

But I wonder if you really understood why we think that both vuokra-asuntoja=yes and arava=yes are useful? It's common to categorize housing types in Finland to: vuokra-asunto (rented house/apartment), asumisoikeusasunto (might be Finnish concept, 30% of the price is paid when living starts, has higher monthly costs than owned houses/apartments), and omistusasunto (owned, usually one needs mortage to buy one unless very rich). Such classification is very useful to have in OSM. I don't care about actual keynames so if you can find some globally used keys for these, feel free to change into them but removal of "vuokra-asunnot=yes" makes such classification later (if some data user wants) impossible. Then there are sub-systems to these which you have encountered such as ARAVA and HITAS (the latter is specific to Helsinki so you would also encounter it in some buildings here). While the data is currently far from complete, acquiring it is very valuable as it might no be readily available when standing front of the building (e.g., some come from construction time signage or official PD docs).

I forgot to comment on your question, I don't remember seeing a tag to indicate such subsidy in wiki but that obviously doesn't prove that there wouldn't be such tag :-).

And, btw, now that I remember to mention, the "spacious" would have been spelled "avara" not "arava" so you were at least close with that, just too much google auto-correction perhaps :-).

I think it was actually alv who started to use it to indicate that that building is under that loan system but we keep close in touch at least in IRC. But if I'd be starting from scratch atm, I'd probably make the meaning more obvious that this is Finnish thing by having it as fi:arava=yes but changing just one of them wouldn't be that nice.

Yes, now you've found the true meaning of it. I find it very encouraging that you really tried to lookup it now! And yes, I know it's derived from brand name (and as such is bad practice to have it in OSM keys). But on the same time any loss of such surveyed information would be acceptable too especially given the fact that most Finns likely would recognize what it tried to describe.

BTW, there's big contrast with your constructive approach to criticism here :-), rather than blaming local community practices like I had to happen with the previous cleanup guy whose changeset I had to comment.

Again, this is somewhat questionable edit. Information is clearly less and more subjective with smoothness than with rocks/roots.

Are you removing / replacing name=* with name:fi=* in all these changes? Please fix them so that name=* and name:fi=* are same!

...And, in case you edit in some "kunta" that has Swedish majority, then name comes from name:sv (similar to the first name selection of streetname signs).

And, thanks for adding the name:sv=*, it certainly is useful.

Why did you remove name tag?

Besides, your interpretation of arava has nothing to do with its real meaning.

I meant who decided that?

??? Why desided that? You're destroying information.

This, on the other hand, was useful cleanup fix (just to give some positive feedback too).
I just wish that the people doing these cleanups would really try hard to differentiate these ok fixes and leave any unsure ones to locals/not done.

Congraz. Again these cleanups destroy surveyed information.

Also, your claim about molok having no meaning is also bogus. Certainly it won't be in dictionaries but many Finns should recognize what it means. There might be better tag available for that though but I don't have time to browse through wiki now, and besides, it should be your task, not mine if you want to do these kind of cleanups that really would require _hard work_ rather than trigger happy DEL button usage.

Is this cleanup due to taginfo keyspace? ...Perhaps it's time to bring this whole taginfo keyspace cleanup process to imports@ and subject to mechanical edits rules as it's very clear it keeps destroying information and making local community lives harder.