mackerski's Comments
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38680166 | 2 months ago | Long story short, you don’t get to interpret the licensing intentions of rights holders. If a rights owner sues, which would be their right, it would be very bad for OSM. Furthermore, OSM data is routinely used commercially, as its licence permits. I urge you re-read the OSM documents on how to map, where these issues are all covered. |
38680166 | 3 months ago | You appear to have overlooked the terms of use on the site you used: https://www.eircode.ie/legal I draw your attention in particular to the text: "You are permitted to browse this site and to reproduce extracts by way of printing, downloading to a hard disk and by distribution to other people but, in all cases, for non-commercial, informational and personal purposes only. No reproduction of any part of the site may be sold or distributed for commercial gain, nor shall it be modified or incorporated in any other work, publication or site. No other licence or right is granted." The incorporate into OSM of content from other maps or data sets is only permitted where the data in question is published under a compatible licence. The owner of the Eircode database offers it under a particular commercial licence, and if you've taken the view that it is in the public domain then I have to suggest that your understanding of IP rights is not as solid as you claim. I will be placing this matter into the hands of the Data Working Group, who will have the task of removing the offending data. |
130767702 | 3 months ago | Where did this name come from? There is no sign nor any online reference to the name that doesn't come from OSM. |
165588514 | 3 months ago | BTW, this Mapillary image shows that the R139 is signed from the exit to the (previously motorway) roundabout. And because it's not shown in parentheses, that indicates that the road you follow is already R139 (again, signs can often be wrong in Ireland, but this fits what we expect and it's one of the newest signs we have in the area). https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=53.41057080005979&lng=-6.225413883371175&z=18.23259127326142&pKey=1469265353413246&focus=photo |
165588514 | 3 months ago | No, a motorway link is a road under motorway restrictions. These roads are not (though they used to be prior to the freeflowing of the M1/M50 junction). |
165589155 | 3 months ago | The signage declaring the old Santry Bypass to be N1 was newly erected when it was downgraded from motorway status. Ignoring fossil signs is not the same as going with newly erected ones. For the record, I don't enjoy the fact that the paperwork is out of step with the ground truth, but OSM practice is to go with ground truth in cases of real ambiguity. Signs on the ground can be manifestly wrong or they can be outdated, and it's reasonable to overrule those. But the only reference we have ever seen to the existence of a non-motorway N50 section is in the document you mention. If N50 were the number, highway=trunk would still be correct. And it would leave us with an annoying bifurcation in that route, since N/M50 also runs through to the port in the tunnel. |
165588514 | 3 months ago | Every road has a number. If you can find a better one, we can tag it. In addition, many of the legal documents are out of step with reality on the ground (see the other edit of yours that I just reverted). We have seen all these documents and done a lot of soul searching to make the most reasonable tagging decisions we can. The N52, which legally isn't supposed to exist north of Dunleer, has very new signs for it all over Dundalk and on the M1. This is Ireland and a lot of this stuff is sloppy. So again, numbered regional roads provide connections between higher road categories. R139 is there to strategically connect to the M50 and M1. I'm sure we can agree that its strategic purpose is _not_ to end a few hundred metres short of the motorways to terminate on an unclassified road. The status of the spur is troublesome to work out, but what's clear from the newest signs (those erected when the junction was freeflowed) is that the roundabout and spur road are no longer under motorway restrications (the spur previously was under restrictions, and I think that's why the legal docs describe the R139 as terminating on the spur). But now the spur is detrunked, the only reasonable classification is R139. And if it is to be classified as highway=secondary, it would need to be R-something. |
165588514 | 3 months ago | Reverting this. If you have a more correct number, tag it. In the meantime, the R139 is a route that connects to the M50. |
165589155 | 3 months ago | Although there is old paperwork declaring these roadways to be N50, all ground truth indicates the road to be N1. Furthermore, N50 would indeed be a national primary route, therefore highway=trunk. I am reverting this change. |
165145301 | 4 months ago | You updated the whole island of Ireland to be a public toilet. What was the intention here? I've reverted the edit. |
164489548 | 4 months ago | BTW, anybody who's been following all this who isn't in the community telegram channel will find it a low-volume friendly place to tease out stuff like this. Be welcome: https://t.me/+ubOH4mwEoVhjYzdi |
164489548 | 4 months ago | So:
Rochford's Lane: I mostly agree with you here too. ViriatoLusitano mapped it in its current form, with an earlier version (also from V.) having been a footway, so clearly I'm not the only one who sees it as an edge case. Market Lane: Actually started on OSM as a footway and was changed in 2020. Your change to that one still has effect. I'm 50/50 on this one, It's wide enough that I'd probably make it a pedestrian street but it's certainly on the cusp. I'd be curious what others think on this one. |
164489548 | 4 months ago | I'll start with the easy one - for the northern "mouth" of Winthrop Street, it would be valid to add a highway=pedestrian area on top of the existing linear feature with connecting nodes. The usual rendered output of that looks like a uniform grey like a pedestrian street but having whatever shape you gave it. You can see an example of this along the west edge of Grand Parade, with a bunch of routable linear pedestrian streets like Tuckey Street padding through. I'm going to have a look at the other examples you gave. |
164489548 | 4 months ago | At the risk of repeating myself: highway=pedestrian is an appropriate tagging for roads on which vehicles are never permitted. This is very clear from the wiki. Our evolved norms in Ireland for distinguishing between footpaths and pedestrian streets (which are consistent with other countries I have mapped in) are based on a combination of width and "streetiness". Where you see the word "wide" used as a criterion in this context, that should be viewed as wide in the domain of pedestrian ways. So for me, anything above about 4m width is already a strong contender. Streetiness for me is a mixed bag. Being named a street is a strong indicator, and being flanked by buildings likewise. Being historically a city street (often dating from an era before motor vehicles, so could still be quite narrow), likewise. There are grey areas, and some of them probably even occur in Cork near where we are talking about (I'm thinking about some of the alleyways to the north of Patrick Street, say, French Church Street). I think that those are correctly tagged as is, mostly for the sorts of reasons I mention above. |
164489548 | 4 months ago | The council listing is secondary in this - I've walked down these streets, they are about 7m wide and have "street" in their name. Pedestrian streets having these characteristics are routinely tagged like this all over Ireland and have been since the beginning of the project. In addition, I've just been shown a photo of the entrance from Patrick Street. It carries, as I mentioned above, the usual no vehicles sign and has a plate naming the street a "Pedestrian Zone" between 11:00 and 18:00 Monday-Saturday. There's really no more to say here. |
164489548 | 4 months ago | If you look here, you'll see that all three of the streets I name do permit vehicle access at specific times: https://www.corkcity.ie/en/council-services/services/roads-and-traffic-management/pedestrianisation/ There is no ambiguity here - these are pedestrian streets. |