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Goodbye and Thanks for all the Fish

From my viewpoint, having to agree to grant worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable licence to my data, which I don't mind sharing with the community, to a limited company is a big NO-NO

Goodbye and Thanks for all the Fish

I have to agree with drlizau. This whole issue is a complete mess, communication about the new regime has been jumbled, disjointed and scattered all over place with out of date info and broken links. According to some minutes buried somewhere all non-odbl edits were to stop at the end of March, but this was not made clear at all and never happened which goes to show what a complete un-transparent shambles this licence/terms of use change really is

P2: Clear GPS option.....

Thx

buildings disapear at different zooms

Rendering of tiles has been erratic and slow for the past day or so. Seen this before, tends to sort it self out after a few days

Broke?

Thx for the info

Gravesham moves up again!

.......almost forgot, Brompton part of proposed World Heritage site!

Gravesham moves up again!

Agree with Chilly, OSM is not about comparing with OS data and I follow my rule if its there map it, if not don't wherever possible. I suspect some of the "on purpose" errors have come across to the open data.
Not come across not:name before, can't seem to find in wiki.
Signage can be a nightmare, but is getting better after the emergency services had go at Medway Council (main reason for wainscott bypass getting more names).
RSME is going in 2012 and lodge hill/chattenden area is to be redeveloped, one of the reasons I have not bothered with this area too much even though its fairly close to me.
As for Rochester we all know its a City, but the powers above seem to think otherwise......

Gravesham moves up again!

Unfortunately Medway will never reach 100% with respect to the ITO table because of the numerous errors in the OS data for this area

Animal trails

I have to agree with Vincent's comment re micromapping, in the areas where Pascal has edited, it would be nice and more beneficial to people if those buildings in the area had numbers/names

We need Y O U for for OSMs wiki! - OR - Is our wiki healthy?

"...the wikiteam recommends not to work on the tagging related pages cause it's a minefield"

This just highlights how crazy the wiki has become. The MAIN reason why newbies visit the wiki is to find out how to tag. If they find over complicated irrelevant documentation this becomes a BIG BIG turn off and they give up/do their own thing.

The tag pages in particular are just too bogged down in too much detail, I think some people lose sight that OSM is just a map not a directory of what every Tom, Dick & Harry does in the world

Demographic extrapolations and interesting bi-national area

The difference seen here is mainly due to the availability of TIGER data to populate the US landscape where Mexico does not

Potlatch 2 is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!

Don't want to see P1 to go just yet, P2 still has bugs and imo slower for tagging up items, mainly because P2 doesn't remember entries like P1 does. I think people should given the choice as to what editor to use like it is now via the user settings

polacht 2 is anti easy

Had similar problems last night. Was drawing building outlines against Bing image. The main problem is, it is not consistent some not easy to reproduce all the time. The main problem for me was drawing one building outline seemed ok but doing another problems start. First sign of problem is the red dotted trailing line from penpoint disappears but still put nodes down. When this happens the save button goes grey and un-useable. Doesn't happen all the time. Also some saves take forever where other times its near instant for saving the same amount of data i.e. one simple building outline. This save time issue may be linked to the lost save button, seems to happen around same time, but again not always. Need to play more to get some kind of pattern

Place names masquerading as road names

Had a quick look at Google streetview to see what you meant here.
Lower Interfields seems the easier one, I would be inclined to mark Lower Interfields as a hamlet. Looking at the property websites houseprice and mouseprices, the address format would seem to support this.
Pins Green is harder to determine, the address format would seem to indicate that the layby holds the main road name. My suspicion is that the layby may have been the original route of the main road in years gone by. I something like this in my area where a dual carriageway has been built and the old route has become a long layby, but both carry the same name. Hope this helps

mapping house numbers

I have started adding house numbers to my local area as like Sanderd17 there is not much else to map.
House numbering can be a major headache not only to us mappers but to end users like service engineers/delivery people, so house numbers can be really useful even if they only appear on street/road corners. I was a service engineer for a number of years quite some time back and I have seen some really weird illogical numbering in my time. However the biggest NIGHTMARE for me was HOUSE NAMES with no numbers!! It is rare to find maps with housenames shown so housename data is more valuable than housenumbers.

With house numbers here are some pointers that might catch you out which I have come across:
Its not uncommon for the number 13 to be dropped or substituted (eg 12a)
Numbers don't always run in sequence (missing or out of sequence)
Named terraces can have separate numbers or are included in the main road numbering scheme
Numbering can continue even if the road name changes!
Two roads of the same name quite a distance apart can belong to the same number sequence
Numbers can wrap around corners of T junctions for quite some way further than expected and down footpaths (New housing developments seem to love doing this)

So you can see that the safest way to map this is by foot!

Garmin Vista and walking

Thanks for the feedback.
I have been using highway=footway/bridleway/byway to match what I see on the sign for the way I am going down, which basically matches the "classic" tagging method on the UK public rights of way wiki page. This is usually ok for path which is uniform in character eg. a dirt path along the whole length of the public footpath. However in the real world it doesn't always work out that way and the new tags I think try to cope with this. However IMO the new tags apart from getting too complex as mentioned earlier, don't fit either on some public footpaths I have GPS traced.
Taking one example footpath RS66 which runs through a farm. At its eastly point it starts from an unclassified road onto a service road into the farm, then moves onto farm tractor dirt tracks on to the fields, then across the fields (usually ploughed) themselves then back onto the tractor tracks before joining another unclassified road. So I have highway=service,highway=track,highway=path/footway then highway=track all on a public footpath, which gets me back to my original comment, ie not sure how to best represent this

Garmin Vista and walking

designation=public_footpath is a new one on me, have seen foot=designated before.
From past experience (when I used to wear a process/work practice improvement hat) if you wanted someone to follow guidance, you needed to keep things simple otherwise they don't bother or do there own thing. Looking at the Wiki the highway tag for other than roads is getting too complex, so, for example, new comers won't bother or other people will do there own thing which will become a major headache.
To me if i see a sign that says: "Public Footpath RS80" it would seem logical to tag highway=foot (following on the way roads are tagged) and name/ref=RS80, the problems start when you want to indicate whats down that path. Hence why people get their knickers twisted in this area.

Yep the "click" detection is sensitive, keeping still and holding the unit level does help in my case, however gps in one hand and a 30kg (and still growing) dog in the other who wants to keep going means it don't happen all the time!

Yemen

Welcome to the world of OSM.

I have looked at the area you have mapped and already OSM is now better than nearly all the current popular online maps! Google just has 5 roads converging to the centre of the city!

As Chillly has mentioned there does seem at first sight a lot of primary roads, however looking at satellite imagery the ring road does cover an area 5-6 kms across, so you probably have it right. Does Yemen have any road numbering/references which may help with road classification?

A read (and printout if possible) of map features on the OSM Wiki will help when first learning to map with OSM.

Just to comment on one node you have tagged, Tourism=bab al yemen, for example, you need to separate the name from what is being described, so from what I have looked up on the net, bab al yemen seems to be a tourist attraction (Yemen's Gate?), so I would have tagged it with one key/value Tourism=attraction and another key/value name=bab al yemen. The map feature list will help you how to tag things.

Another way to learn how things are done is to find a map of a well mapped city,
click on the edit tab, once the edit screen appears (potlatch), click on the play button (a red "practice mode" box should appear to the bottom right of the map, then click on the settings icon (tick in a box) and set the background to OSM - Osmarender from the drop down box. From then on you can click on different nodes and ways to see how they have been tagged.

Hope this helps. Well done for a great start and keep it coming. Have fun

Export Gold

Its not waterproof paper you're need, it's waterproof ink.
A while back I brought a cheapy all in one Epson ( it was cheaper than getting a new set of inks for the old printer!). It has pigment based inks rather than dye based. I tried it out when I found out, printed an A4 sheet off and stuck it under a running water tap, the paper fell apart before there was any evidence of ink run.
Ideal for those underwater survey outings :-)

continued to map the beautiful island Ibiza.

So what happen to Menorca? Seems a bit waterlogged at the moment!

I think the lack of mapping in this area maybe due to too much Sun, Sand & Sex :-)