If you have Linux installed on your Chromebook you just have to install Java and download JOSM, ant it should Just Work. Otherwise I don’t know, but I second @GOwin’s suggestion.

Hi there o/

What do you mean by “shift”, and why do you keep saying “shift”?

Very nice, thanks for sharing! The trick to underlay a picture of the map of the mall is smart. How do you do that? I know how to use aerial imagery but didn’t know you could use just any image.

Also, looking at the screenshots, it seemed like the “Pizza Pai” parking was missing a trema in “Pai”?

@qeef

This is starting to turn into a dialogue (as in actual 2), but whatever! :)

I can imagine a situation when an owner wants his company in OSM but doesn’t want to become an OSM contributor. In other words, an owner wants to improve OSM but only by adding his own business, without the hassle of learning how to do that. I believe this diary is about such an use-case.

Yes, I believe that’s the case too! But I don’t see why one thing leads to the other. I can imagine two ways a website/w.e. may allow users to add POIs without having to first create an account:

1. Create anonymous notes (like onosm does);
2. Have a website-specific user of its own (e.g. onosm_user, osmybiz_user, …).

Re the second part: ah now I think I understand what you mean! It would be something outside of OSM, not directly on OSM.

@qeef

The point is to strictly differ between an owner and an OSM contributor.

Why? If anyone can edit all of the map, without any restrictions, why make that distinction?

I should point out all the solutions are WWW based, too.

Oh I didn’t realize that was the point. But I still fail to see the connection between being a website and SEOs coming to waste mappers’ time. Wouldn’t the same happen if they were made to send the details by SMS or email?

@qeef:

All the solutions here needs OSM account

Not really I think. The editor can have an account of its own for anonymous users.

Why it wouldn’t be possible to submit their business by email? Or SMS? Ideally localised? Then, the received messages would became issues, and the list of issues possible source for POI import.

What’s the difference from https://www.onosm.org ? You can filter notes created by onosm.org on e.g. https://ent8r.github.io/NotesReview (go to Filter and enter for example “onosm.org” in the Query field). I believe you can even create RSS or Atom feeds for a specific filter.

The onosm.org notes are also easy to parse. The values are human input though…

@PlayzinhoAgro The URL to the site @SimonPoole mentioned is https://osmybiz.osm.ch I believe. And I agree that it would be better if it (1) was a web page instead, and (2) created the nodes rather than notes.

@Zverik I don’t see why it has to be comprehensive in the details. You say that “the business classification in OSM is both incomplete and too complex”, so being incomplete here shouldn’t be a problem either.

The addresing can be made “local”. The “form” doesn’t really have to be a form. The users could be guided through steps in a way that “localizes” the shown input fields, for example starting with the country. That could apply not only to addressing but to contacts, social networks, &c. These localizations could be provided/audited by the local OSM communities. I’m sure most would be happy to.

Re it not working: when you fail at something do you just give up? Not saying one should be constantly bashing the head on the wall, but there are a multitude of possible reasons for the other projects to “have failed”.

@TomH maintaining a FAQ that clearly states, among other things, that “no, we are not selling you ad space here, stop asking, thank you very much”, should be fine no? If they still come nagging, just dryly link to the FAQ. What is the volume of such people?

There’s a commerce association where I live that’s regularly in contact with shops, restaurants, &c, and organizes some campains across all such businesses (thematic days or weeks for example). For some time now I’ve been thinking about contacting them to see if something could be worked out, having the business owners add their businesses to OSM, but I’m missing the workflow. As @SimonPoole said, creating notes is a no go. But now that I’ve learned of osmybiz I’ll give it a try and see if it would be good enough.

Re @redsteakraw

The problem is what is worse removing a small amount of good data or having a lot of unreliable data.

I’d say easily (as I said on my previous comment) that removing good data just because it may be bad is much worse than having bad data.

The thing is if you have unreliable data it taints the good data, as the system as a whole can’t be relied on.

Yeah, I understand that, but removing good data doesn’t take you anywhere closer to your (our) goals – in the end, you’re throwing away what you’re looking for.

(…) which is why it would have to be paired with some sort of Check in or It’s still here API. So that popular old restaurant could easily be checked and passed over for any deletion. Mobile apps and simple editors could expose this and make the whole thing transparent.

That makes much more sense. StreetComplete already does that for opening hours. Maybe they’re open to adding another quest type for outdated POIs and other data.

Re 1st: that’s a cool idea. What I currently do is I keep a list of things I commonly add to the map, things that usually have mostly the same tags (e.g. recycling containers, trash containers, business chains, &c). I just copy&paste, make any required changes, et voila. Works well enough for me.

Re 2nd: I don’t think that’s a good direction to go… I’ll assume you’re talking only of business-POIs (retaurants, shops, cafes, &c). First, adding POIs requires much more effort than removing them. Then, some businesses really don’t change details often, if ever, and they keep on going. I have examples of POIs that have been added 9~10 years ago that are still open today (and I know they’re even older than that) - for examples of this just look at big chains, though they’re not the only ones. Plus, if you’d delete POI after some time what you’d get is worse coverage. It requires even more hands and time, and that’s not something you can just go to some shop down the street get more of. Something more useful is to be warned of outdated POIs (and @SimonPoole already mentioned that).

Re 3rd: I also really like this one! It would open up a lot of possibilitied, like “real-time” parking info, and opening hours (sometimes businesses make exceptions on their open schedule). OsmAnd has an “avoid road” feature, but it’s offline.

This looks so good! Awesome job, thanks for sharing!

I don’t know if it’s suitable to your needs but you can use GitHub Pages for static sites or blog-like sites (with Jekyll or something), based on a Git repo. I host my own personal site there and, although I don’t use a domain name of my own, I’ve seen it mentioned in the docs. For static sites you should disable Jekyll or whatever. This took me a long time to figure out, I think because it’s kind of hidden in the docs, but feel free to message me if need/want to do it.