Well I am looking at where you are editing from Persia, and so are these sanctions from the UK where OSMF is based or are these Iranian internet restrictions? Either way it is just dumb, sanctions only hurt average working class people governments and wealthy people get around them.

This is more or less the app I was looking for to quickly add POIs and not be overwhelming like other mobile editors yet be quick enough to update with more in depth tags. I loved the iD presets but iD is not good on the ground. This looks like it also would be good for the double tap technique in which you map the building and area from satellite then go there to add all the POIs in the area.

@Pieter Vander Vennet the Mapcomplete shopping theme has a good UI, just wondering where they host the images? This seems good for adding more information to POIs. Something like this would be good for beefing up existing valid POIs. It also seems to just ask for a phone number but I am guessing it would be trivial to add any field. If I see a shop is empty or closed there doesn’t seem to be anything to mark that and quickly strip the POI tags. It seems like it is very close to being the mobile POI editor. With some preset searches and a bit of tweaking this could be a real game changer. I might try it out with the bench view at a park just to get the workflow down.

The idea is fine but instead of a note why not just create a change-set with the node awaiting approval? Furthermore businesses need some sort of incentive to adding this so logos of big name OSM users would be good and maybe a yelp like directory / Business profiles generated from POI tags so they have something to show for and other users can search for POI types in a given location. having a percent complete requiring a website, phone and hours of operation for base complete and extra tags such as wheelchair accessibility, and extra information tags for full completeness.

Mateusz Konieczny maybe it would require a new codebase but some sharing like iD’s preset scheme could be reused. This wouldn’t even need to display a map and if it does a single OSM tile would suffice. No vectors no complexities just a little db of presets and search bar to search between them. current location puts the POI and a bunch of preset text boxes / ui for standard input from input based on the presets.

@ SimonPoole not asking for a complicated editor it could be a stripped down iD or a gloriffied script it just needs to find and make it easy to add preset POIs no UI for editing ways or polygons or complex map rendering. Just I am in front of a POI and add it where I am. I will check out Vespucci some more to see what you are talking about but this needs to be so simple a casual person could trivially add it. This is something that OSM apps can link to and possibly allow for new mappers that aren’t all that advanced but can literally just add that restaurant or local place. This wouldn’t be a full blown editor just a specialized POI add or POI check. OSM for the most part has a complete road network. Maps.Me started this but it never quite got there.

@ andre-sa Yes I know deleting something could be bad which is why it would have to be paired with some sort of Check in or It’s still here API. So that popular old restaurant could easily be checked and passed over for any deletion. Mobile apps and simple editors could expose this and make the whole thing transparent. The problem is what is worse removing a small amount of good data or having a lot of unreliable data. The thing is if you have unreliable data it taints the good data, as the system as a whole can’t be relied on. You go to a new city lets say and go to look for a local pub, and get routed to a closed one or maybe it’s a bakery now. There is no point to having the data if you can’t rely on it. You can only rely on it if there are some mechanisms that make sure that the data says fresh. Covid has upturned a lot of businesses and the problem is worse now than ever.

Zverik I saw your Video and the UI looks great and the idea is right on track. In order to have a Map-less UI you need complete and accurate data. Your app seems to make this easier however it would be even more accessible if it was a WebApp instead of relying on Telegram and at least the tagging / data side used OSM / OSM schemes. The pictures yeah that could be hosted anywhere. IPFS, LBRY, Telegram, openstreetcam, ECT.. Any friction or extra step from gathering data to pushing it to OSM will lead to a dropoff in the follow-through. At least adding something on the spot would be better than not. I like what I see and it looks very interesting.

SimonPoole don’t get me wrong Vespucci is a very powerful app, however the UI is pretty complex and is mostly geared towards power mappers. What I am talking about is simply a dead simple UI that makes adding POIs either on the go or from home dead simple. It would have local chains and presets built in and a simple search would get you the store type or preset. With many apps the UI gets in the way, we know what the problem is and just need enough of the UI to get the job done, no editing polygons, nor ways nor relations just adding a POI. It should be simple enough for your parents to do it. Vespucci will still be there for the power mappers it has it’s place for sure.

Now on showing old POIs on the editor well that is good but having a Bot that would auto delete them may be the path forward if paired with some sort of check-in or it’s still here API. The problem is most people won’t see the staleness of the POI and without a check-in we have no idea if a POI is still there especially if there is no reason to edit the POI. OSM is used by a bunch of mobile apps and this would be a good thing that could give back to OSM by just confirming yes it is still there or I just navigated there and I am there. No editor needed. The question is what is worse possibly deleting good data or keeping old outdated data on the map. Covid has really changed the business landscape worldwide there are tones of closed locations or new locations this is needed now more than ever.

DeBigC well POI measles is what the expiration and checkins would prevent. Checkins would be a simple confirmation it is still there or someone visited it and expiring / flagging for autodelete would get rid of old POIs with no interaction. thus your POI measles would be handled automatically. I know that there are a lot of businesses that simply aren’t there and the turnover rate of restaurants are pretty high. Covid lockdowns and restrictions killed a whole bunch more so there has been a big turnover all over the place. As for building it into buildings, well things can get messy especially when you have more than one level. Adding to the building takes more time effort and care I would rather have the POIs there than not.

I think it also comes down to how everything is mapped locally. Most places have the POIs in the buildings. Which technically would be true the business is located within the bounds of the building. I know some people prefer placing it on the entrance and some want even more than that. I think we all don’t want tones of old POIs or stale data this was some ways to solve the problem.

@ztzthu this isn’t a fight, ground truth is the objective rule that binds all of us. Any that stray from ground truth are the enemies, weather it is motivated by patriotism or just blind vandalism. Ground truth is the objective measure that ends all these stupid political debates. Whether it is the whiny Ukrainians over Crimea or weeping Vietnamese over some random south China sea Island. I will tell you that there is a demeanor and indoctrination to the average Chinese person that lives and is raised in China that is alarming. Especially if you bring up controversial topics. A mix of cognitive dissonance and indoctrination that to many outsiders looks like dumb blind obedience. But there is more going on there. They get it but are too cowardly or set in their ways to think about certain things so they repress it. You can see that in their faces. As far as mapping they can’t be trusted for anything that may be controversial or that the CCP may not like because they are all hostages. With the social credit score they all are at risk of being demoted to 3rd class citizens if they follow ground truth over the fake CCP narrative. I don’t hate the commies I pity them they are like children that fear the parent coming in. It is pathetic in a sense but none of them will ever admit it because they lie to themselves as that is one of the only things that keep them going and functioning in the world.

I don’t care about all these political BS just ground truth. China recently built up bases on islands disputed by other countries and they got mad and I told them regardless of how you feel ground truth is what the map is representing. The same is here. If China wants to have forced labor concentration camps don’t get all angry if people map them and label them appropriately. The amount of state propaganda that many of these Chinese mappers are subject to is enough to make most just parrot out the government talking points. Furthermore if a mapper is working on behalf the CCP or inspired by patriotism they by the very definition would be Commies. The same would be for Cuban or North Korean mappers. State based vandals don’t deserve any more respect than the spammers or degenerate vandals elsewhere. As for these map laws, it is basically China’s authoritarianism that is a problem, OSM doesn’t bow to China it bows to groundtruth. India has similar dumb laws as other places and you get into conflicts where you can’t satisfy any two authoritarian map laws without conflicting with one or the other. I can’t care less about what dumb law some dumb politicians with inflated egos wrote down on a piece of paper. Does the map describe the on the ground reality, if yes it should be there if not it shouldn’t. Who’s military, police or government is on the ground in an area determines control and borders.