Good to know. Canada Post is still a government body (a “Crown Corporation”). They haven’t been very good about open data, entering a lawsuit against geocoder.ca (now settled on unknown terms).

I think I’ll try the “polite request” approach first before going for a full-on FOI request (if we even have the ability to FOI in Canada). Most Canadian Crown Corps are bound by cost-recovery requirements, so this might cost me.

scruss has been my nickname for 35+ years. If there’s a scruss on the internet, it’s me, except for some kid in Indiana who is sadly deluded and kept telling me to give him my gmail account and scruss.com domain …

There are chapters? I’ve been an OSMF member for years and didn’t even know!

Then again, it’s probably good that there aren’t any in my country.

Statcan aggregate data from NRCan and other sources. So this is only as good as the CanVec and other data sets we already have access to.

Mappers have also found that some of these roads aren’t quite right on the ground, and have updated the map appropriately. Similarly, mappers have corrected many connectivity errors in the raw Canadian data set to improve routing. The Statcan data won’t have any of these improvements.

Yes, I knew about that, but it’s far more complicated than anything I could ever imagine.

You said: So, every MAPS.ME user that edits the map submits their confirmed e-mail, so you can contact them. It works, as I have contacted some of the users during the beta testing.

So are you saying that edits are coming in from people who are not registered as OSM users, but are maps.me users?

To various points:

• Yes, the assumption that volunteer data is of lesser quality is annoying. I should reach out to CIPPIC and point them to research like Anita Graser’s OSM quality assessment with QGIS: positional accuracy. Got any other links?

• In a Canadian court, if the three tests described in When would a VGI website be liable in negligence for inaccurate information? were met, then the mapper could be found liable. If in the unlikely case of a link between that mapper and OSM(F) being found, then they too could be liable. The article makes the point that a licence disclaimer alone is not sufficient.

• Canadian municipalities must publish/maintain up-to-date maps, by law. Any phantom details in OSM knowingly supplied or left uncorrected and used by municipalities could open them to liability. ‘Could’ is the operative term here; there are no precedents, as the article says.

• Regarding the Darwin comment, almost everything you think you know about the Stella Liebeck case is wrong.

I don’t know how, but there are features that appear to be point-for-point the same in Map Maker as OSM.

I used Talky Toaster’s exports a couple of years ago. They had their own shortcomings, not least their routing being very weak (though very scenic).

Shame about the address source problems. I usually map addresses from my own street surveys. Food hygiene open data is a good source, and we’re looking at that in Toronto for OSM — though Canada jealously guards the copyright of its postal code data, so we have to look elsewhere for that.

Good project. Wish we could do the same in Canada, but we don’t have federal energy policy.

It’s in the OpenMapChest garmin extract that gives the location as “W ST”. It’s fine in the database, but is clearly being munged by the conversion script.

If you look at the changeset that included those restos, you may find a familiar user name … I don’t have a reliable free source of address data for the UK, so I didn’t add them. Slightly surprised that there aren’t even address ranges for these locations. I was under the impression that the UK was pretty sorted for mappers and Ontario was a bit crap, but if you can’t even find a decent curry using OSM …

Village Curry House is very good, btw.

Of course it would be a CanVec way. Most of Northern Canada is horrid land use squares, all at the maximum node limit, splitting up lakes and real features. It’s almost impossible to edit, and likely never will be corrected.

Any breakdown by user’s OS? JOSM on Mac is deeply unpleasant.

(admission of bias: I will only use JOSM if absolutely nothing else will do the job.)

So many ‘disruptive’ business plans are really just give us your free stuff to resell cos we’re IPOing in a week kthxbye. I’m glad that the OSMF is more about the continued existence of OSM.

Don’t forget that “well recognised ideas … in the UK” are usually classified as “wat?” by worldwide mappers. I grew up in Scotland so most OSM tagging seems vaguely sensible, but explaining it to my fellow Canadians …? Nah.

Oh, and a couple of points I forgot to address that commenters helpfully brought up:

• InfosReseaux - what with collector system losses, derated/oddly-rated turbines (I’ve operated a few that easily run at 120% nameplate), it’s very hard to enter a useful plant:output:electricity for a wind farm.

• Sanderd17 - yes, I know about other designs, but they’re vanishingly rare compared to 3-blade HAWTs, and aren’t very useful as generators.

Thanks, Dragons8mycat, but I think I’ve got this one. Over the last 20 years, I’ve prospected, designed, operated, consulted on or provided due-diligence services to around 3 GW of installed wind plants worldwide.

My complaint about method vs source is that it’s redundant in almost all technologies. We should tag for what’s here now, rather than create grandiose, impractical schemes that cover all future eventualities. None of us know what we’re doing, after all …

better still!

perfect! Thanks!

It’s not the colour, Dr K; it’s the fact it’s growing — so in your part of the world, it would be like having a xeriscaped roof.