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124364620 about 1 year ago

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153389221 about 1 year ago

You mean, you didn't survey it to see if these trails actually exist and collect GPS traces?
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139848692 about 1 year ago

This is a multi-use path, not a cycleway.
* osm.wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath
* osm.wiki/Michigan#Pedestrian_ways

The names are on the respective relations. No need to also have the name on the way. Look at the various renders, doing so is causing an echo affect with the name doubled up and confusing.

120474818 about 1 year ago

It would help if _someone_ wasn't going behind us undoing all this work. 😒
osm.org/changeset/139847915

120474818 about 1 year ago

It prevents routing for walking and wheelchair use. And some of these paths allow horses or ATVs.

Yesterday I rode, with a 360 camera, another 16 miles (32 total) of The Great-Lake-To-Lake trail, starting at Wixom to Pontiac. The section was also signed to give walkers the right-of-way and the "abandoned railway" has long since been replaced or lost to time.

I don't get to do these rides often, so it will be slow going waiting for me to correct them. 😏

120474818 about 1 year ago

It is easy to do and I did the same. Seems everyone has to do it for some number of miles before they realize the error.

I only mentioned it on this old edit as I thought you might be able to help new comers avoid the same mistake.

120474818 about 1 year ago

I was just there and captured some Mapillary imagery along Lakeshore Drive. That was definitely a multi-use path (cycleway means bicycle=designated).
osm.wiki/Michigan#Pedestrian_ways

150858175 over 1 year ago

Thanks for mapping this. I meant to get back to mapping Hidden Lakes after our recent visit.

I see that you connected the path to the driveway. That is great. To complete the routing you will also want to connect other connected things. In this case driveways and/or parking isle ways to the parking lot area.

Not sure that you do this, but a related mistake that I used to make was connecting unrelated things. A big one I see all the time is land use areas and boundaries connected to all kinds of unrelated things.

150915972 over 1 year ago

For routing, please connect the river's way where it crosses the edges of its areas.
Also, for routing and other reasons, I prefer to use multiple connected areas over giant relations. See how the Grand River has been mapped as an example.

The Michigan wiki page has a common tagging cheat-sheet and monthly meeting information.
osm.wiki/Michigan

128061369 over 1 year ago

I realize you changed this a year ago, but just so you and I can stop flip-flopping these tags...
highway=cycleway means bicycle=designated.
highway=path is more appropriate for nearly every pedestrian way in Michigan. In fact, I am finding most of our mixed-use paths have signs and/or rules posted stating cyclists must yield the right of way. I fix these all over the place, after I've visited the trail and captured Mapillary imagery. I blame iD for suggesting cycleway, where path would be a better starting place. People walking or in wheelchairs will appreciate the routing working correctly for them.
Besides the wiki pages of those tags, see also:
osm.wiki/Michigan#Common_Tagging_Schemes

148528299 over 1 year ago

OpenStreetMap is not a picture of the world from above, it is useful data for navigating the world which is rendered into a picture and much more.

And to those with the time to micro-map, I can think of more useful uses of that time. I also hope they plan to update their work as the truth on the ground changes. I know I don't have the time to maintain it.

osm.wiki/Good_practice

148528299 over 1 year ago

...if again I find that it would *not be* useful...

148528299 over 1 year ago

Including the pier addition with unrelated edits was my mistake. I have already added it back, with a few other details of the park.

You will find that nearly all of my edits are done after I have physically been to an area. I try to also capture Mapillary imagery. It seems that my camera powered down during my drive on Monday not long before I reached this area. So, now I have no proof of what I saw.

Trains are great. I like trains too. However, OpenStreetMap is a geospatial database that attempts to digitally represent _current_ realities.

When a railway is converted into something else, for instance a driveway, someone's home, a multiuse path; it is no longer a railway, abandoned or otherwise. It is now that new thing.

When an old railway is completely lost to time and can no longer be traversed on foot, of what value is to OpenStreetMap users? If anything it adds noise, implying someone might traverse its length or navigate by it, but it is gone... Its traces only visible using LIDAR or someone with a keen eye viewing a tree line in areal imagery. It is time that the former railway is moved to the Historical Map or accessed from OpenStreetMap's history.

You are welcome to put the abandoned railway back. I will get back over to that area eventually. I will then try harder to collect proof before I map what I find. And if again I find that it would be useful to have mapped what once was (as sad as it might be), I will map the area accordingly.

148528299 over 1 year ago

Have you seen this railway?

148528724 over 1 year ago

Nope. Thanks.

I meant to delete "railway", as it has long since been converted into a pathway.

125291659 over 1 year ago

Found this a year later.
See the Michigan Wiki page for how we tag multi-use paths. When in doubt highway=path. Footway means foot=designated, as in, only for foot traffic. osm.wiki/Michigan#Common_Tagging_Schemes

127940842 over 1 year ago

Found this a year later, but this was correctly tagged as highway=path
A cycleway is only for bicycles (and implies freeway like experience).
Have a look at the following pages:
* osm.wiki/Michigan#Common_Tagging_Schemes
* osm.wiki/Mountain_biking
Also see the Michigan Wikipage for information about our monthly meetings.

147313155 over 1 year ago

After visiting it myself, I am sticking with my decision. Though, it is very close to a British pub, intended for talking and serves alcohol.

147313155 over 1 year ago

In OpenStreetMap parlance, a bar is a noisy (audio/visual) place. For Homebrew, I am going to try leisure=amusement_arcade instead of bar. Needs a tag stating the games are analog.

My wife knows the owner and says you would you would likly enjoy this place.

https://www.homebrewgamelounge.com/

138315329 over 1 year ago

I changed my mind. I started into moving the ways from the bicycling route to the hiking route. Following the route, I have too many questions and not enough time. For the moment, I will leave it to someone else.