Hi,

What source did you use for these changes? I passed by here yesterday and was surprised to find this site is still very much under construction. Some of the houses you have added don't exist at all yet. Where do the house numbers come from? I saw none displayed on the ground.

Thanks,
Will

I think Langley Mill is more a town than a village.

I note that the Wikipedia article had described Langley Mill as a town for the last 15 or so years until someone changed it to village two days ago. The user making the change didn't give any source or explanation. Therefore I don't think it's a reliable source.

Hi Andy,
Thanks for pointing this out. I suspect it is still there and will check on the ground when I have an opportunity.
Regards,
Will

Thank you for correcting the operator.

Have a nice day.

Here you have deleted the ground surveyed old names (Rosehill School and Shepherd School) and replaced them with Bluecoat Aspley Academy. The latter has never been located here. This site has been ground surveyed by local mappers, including myself, several times over the years, so I am certain of this.

The old_ref:edubase is also wrong and actually refers again to Bluecoat Aspley Academy, which is still active and has not moved.

I'll fix this myself when I have time and will certainly check for more errors at the same time.

Again, you seem to be carelessly changing existing data. Please be more careful.

Thank you for correcting the county here, but I note the operator is still wrong.

The 'TypeOfEstablishment (name)' in the Edubase data is set to 'Other independent school'. As I have already explained, this means it is an independent or private school. Independent schools are, by definition, free from direct government control and are self-funding, so clearly Derbyshire County Council can't be the operator.

Edubase doesn't contain an operator field, so I don't understand why you are mentioning it as a source. It does contain a field for 'Trusts (name)' but they can only be the operators for specific types of schools, including academies and free schools, and are not relevant in this case.

I have just looked through all 133 fields for this school in the raw data and none are set to Derbyshire County Council. There are only locational fields telling you the school is physically located in Derbyshire.

Looking at other data you have added I note you seem to be setting most or all independent schools with a local authority as the operator, even well known ones like Nottingham High School, where basic local knowledge should have told you this was wrong. Obviously this needs fixing.

Hi,

If you are altering existing OSM data so it exactly matches the Edubase data then please note you are doing it wrong and will certainly end up degrading the data. Almost all existing data for schools in Nottingham and the surrounding area has already been checked against Edubase, but it has also been ground surveyed and cross-referenced with school websites, FHRS data, NCC schools open data, and other suitably licensed sources. Edubase doesn't claim to be the definitive source for details like school addresses and is known to contain errors. Any conscientious mapper will cross reference with multiple sources when changing existing data in this way.

In this case, the Edubase field for Establishment Type is set to 'Secure unit', so the data is actually correct, and the error is yours alone. Edubase doesn't only contain schools.

I've previously had to correct changes where you have completely removed a school because you could not find it in Edubase, despite the fact it had been added from survey quite recently. You really should be much more careful and take time to understand the data you are using. For example, educational establishments are often split across multiple sites, but only one is listed in Edubase. Also just because Edubase lists an establishment as closed, doesn't mean it didn't immediately reopen again as a different establishment type.

Again, take more time to understand the data, cross-reference with other sources, and generally be more careful.

Hi,

I have reverted the changes you have made here because they were clearly wrong.

1. Clayfields House is a secure children's unit, not a school. Here's a press article which includes some useful details: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/18/violent-children-one-secure-unit-may-have-answer
2. The name is Clayfields House not Clayfield House. Sources include the sign outside, operator's website (Nottinghamshire County Council); FHRS open data, and more sources if you take the time to look.
3. I've deleted the website, because the website tag is for official websites, not third party listings.

Please be more careful.

There are a couple of obvious problems with your changes to OneSchool Global:

1. You have added operator='Derbyshire County Council'. This is an independent (private) school run by a branch of the Plymouth Brethren Christian group, so that can't be correct.

2. You have added addr:province='Nottinghamshire'. In case you are not aware, Long Eaton is in Derbyshire, so this is clearly wrong. People do occasionally get confused because the Royal Mail post town is Nottingham, but that doesn't make the county Nottinghamshire. The school's website gives the locality part of its address as 'Long Eaton, Nottingham'. I've no idea why you want to add the county at all, but it you must include it, then please use the correct value.

I'm not convinced these changes should have been reverted. I agree short term road closures shouldn't be mapped, but in this case the lane closures will reportedly last until the end of the year. Personally I think if such changes last longer than 6 months then it is probably acceptable to add them.

I don't think entrance=home is correct for entrances to apartments. The wiki description suggests it is for entrances to single properties ("Door to a private house, home or an apartment") while all the entrances you have changed here lead to over 10 apartments. I have set these to entrance=apartments instead.

Hi, are you sure this was a descriptive name? I notice all of the lakes/ponds at this fishery are named after water-related features.

These changes appear to be incorrect. You have changed shop=window to craft=window_construction. The former is a shop where windows are sold, while the latter is a workshop where windows are made. They imply different things. Have you actually verified the original tagging was incorrect? I tagged osm.org/way/579720233 myself and I certainly intended it to be a showroom where windows are sold.

I know shop=window is depreciated, but that is not an excuse to change it to another tagged with a different meaning. The more accepted tag is shop=glaziery.

None of the service roads you have added here exist any more. You have used the out-of-date Bing imagery (at least 8 years old). Compare with the more recent Esri World Imagery, which clearly shows everything has gone.

I have reverted the one-way tagging added here after checking on the ground. Raleigh Street is definitely two-way except for a short section at the Alfreton Road end.

I note that improveosm.org also suggests that Oliver Street between Raleigh Street and Portland Street is one-way. This is also incorrect.

When using data improvement tools, it's usually best to confirm suggested changes with additional sources.

Cheers,
Will

Hi,

How sure are you that the whole of Raleigh Street is now one-way? This looks suspect to me in part because there is currently a bollard mapped part way along the street, meaning that for motor vehicles the one-way goes into a dead end. The bollard is still shown on the Esri World Imagery, which is quite recent.

I've checked the Nottingham City Council open data for one-way streets, which doesn't list Raleigh Street as one-way, but this was last updated in 2017, so it's certainly possible things have changed.

Note that the Alfreton Road end of Raleigh Street was already mapped as one-way. When I last surveyed along there, this only applied for a short way along the street, but this was some time ago.

Thanks,
Will

It's always better not to delete other mappers' contributions just because you disagree with the tagging. Either improve things or leave them as they are.

The public bookcase was still there when I walked by here a few weeks ago. Why have you deleted it?

Hi,
I notice you have reverted the Co-op back to the old 'The Co-operative Food' branding, which they have been phasing out since 2016. I thought the sign outside had switched to the new 'Co-op' branding a year or two ago?

This edit doesn't look right. There is definitely a small gap between 13 and 17 Nottingham Road. When previously surveyed, none of the shop fronts were numbered as 15.