@AldrichEugene

似乎您现在已经违法了，因为这个网站现在也确实出于中国大陆的屏蔽中。除非您声称您所在的区域能不翻墙来到这个网站。那么您认为您的行为实际上造成了什么样的危害呢？目前我秉承的对于OSM的态度还是，尽可能令其发挥在生活和学术上必要的作用上。当然，红线和底线应该是有的，例如作为中国大陆公民的时候，对部分敏感设施，如军事用地、监狱、重要能源设施等绘制，确实会有弊大于利的风险，对这些东西绘制确实是有对社会造成破坏的风险，而对于地理数据易于获取和使用影响不大，那么这类内容我觉得就是需要规避的。——事实上OSM社区中乌克兰和以色列两块区域已经有人对“公认不要画敏感区域”有了一份打样。

以及火星加密就是傻逼，这点我对部分中国大陆的相关人员也明确提到了这一点，在AI解读卫星图非常迅速且发达的年代，对坐标的偏移已经难以做到让人无法将实地事物和数据关联。

此外，目前暂无删除评论的方法，不管是自删或者贴主删除都是做不到的。如果您认为有绝对的必要，如您可能因为您的这些发言遭到人身威胁或者可能遭遇迫害，请联系 data@openstreetmap.org 尝试请求删除，但并不代表您的要求一定能被满足。

当然上面的也都是场面话，您是哪个单位的呢？如果您代表有关部门希望获取和“画OSM的中国用户”的联系，我觉得大可不必用这种方式。

Follow-up: All passed. It seems that some of the ones that triggered manual review will indeed take 2-3 days to appear in OSM.

又一次补充

Since I haven’t seriously studied Map Builder, I’ve just added all my comments under Pieter Vander Vennet’s diary. I hope this doesn’t cause any inconvenience or disturbance to everyone.

It seems that in Map Builder, you can also add various custom tags and use iD presets, but this requires using the 1 / 2 / 3 keys on the keyboard. Moreover, you can select and change tags only for new elements added via keystrokes, and there’s only one opportunity to choose and edit tags. Normally, you cannot reopen this panel.

Additionally, if you edit enough content, it appears to require you to write a note, which I think might be similar to a changeset comment. Therefore, this changeset doesn’t seem to be directly edited into OSM; after clicking Save, the content in the editor returns to its unmodified state. However, when I tried adding just a small road immediately afterward, the edit was approved by Bing within 5 seconds and appeared on the real OSM.

It’s important to note that these “changesets that seem to have entered the review queue” are invisible even in Map Builder, reminiscent of China’s publish censorship.

I will continue tracking that edit which may require Microsoft employee review until it appears on OSM.

Finally, the good news is that when you meet users who use Map Builder on the OSM main site, comments that recommend them to come to the main site instead of the Bing site will not be blocked.

osm.org/way/1267674441

But at least one thing that seems exciting is that MS’s review is very fast, and it really does what they said all the edits are posted back to OSM.

Follow-up:

Map Builder seems to have been updated. This is a screenshot of its work. The interface has changed a lot from before.

But unfortunately, I still feel that the ediror are incomplete. I cannot see all the contributions my MS account has submitted to OSM in the past, whether they were approved or failed. I have been using the same MS account for various related tests since last year.

I also can’t try to see what OSM account my MS account is mapped to to determine whether my contribution has been intercepted by Bing.

Its editor has deleted many optional functions. Which is not terrible, but when I tried to draw an outline based on the top of the building and then move it to the bottom of the building, I found that it had no moving function (fortunately, I remembered the shortcut key M, So it worked)

I tested it and found that common iD shortcut keys such as W and G can be used, but Ctrl+Shift+H is deliberately blocked. Maybe MS doesn’t want us to know where the data is on OSM by seeing the history and element id.

What’s even more troublesome is that when saving, there seems to be a tendency to encourage uploading after completing a single edit. I wonder if this will cause many small edits that only change one building to appear in OSM that are difficult to track.

The worst part is that when you successfully save an edit, it doesn’t prompt you that your edit contributed to OSM, it just highlights Bing Map

I think this is very bad

The original comment can be found at https://t.me/osmchina/129204/132960

此外，您下次遇到这一问题的时候，可不可以尝试按F12唤出开发者面板（目前主流浏览器如Firefox、Chrome、Edge等都支持），然后查看“控制台”（或Terminal）中的提示？

您好，这个问题已在 https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/4618 中被开发团队关注

这个问题我五六年前开始用OSM的时候就时不时会出现了，但是吧——很遗憾的是我也没法说怎么稳定复现，因为一刷新浏览器就会正常。可以试试Ctrl+F5，以及您说的“重启清理数据也没用”是指清理 openstreetmap.org 在您浏览器中的缓存吗？

From 2016 to present? That’s really surprising

Hope you can enjoy your OSM holiday φ(゜▽゜*)♪！

I come from the future, and instead of open geographical data in China getting better, things are getting worse

To draw the various architectural features of a city so carefully requires both a lot of field investigation (but since this is NK, so it should be based on photos?) and enough tenacity. (To use OSM’s model to depict such three-dimensional details may require a certain amount of artistic accomplishment)

It’s unbelievable!

Joke: General Kim must have been delighted to see his city drawn so realistically

First of all, thank you for the current work, it looks really good. It is obvious that you have put more effort into the interface design to make it user-friendly!

I am both a conservative and a progressive person, so I welcome it very much, but I have some questions:

And: 1. Python is generally considered to be weak in performance. Have you conducted stress tests under heavy traffic so far?

The 16 database tables currently used for nodes, ways and relations have been replaced by a single “element” table in which each single object version is stored. So one table for everything.

Especially when mmd pointed out this issue above, blurring the type of element will inevitably bring additional computational overhead to each query.

1. When can we expect to see a read-only (not necessarily real-time sync) demo site? This would help other users and developers test their software’s compatibility with OSMNG.

2. (About a minor UI change) It seems that the feature allowing users to customize scale and short link when sharing has not been implemented?

I think either “map” or “database” would be the correct answer, and they don’t seem to be completely separate. For visitors who browse the OSM website directly from the web, this is a map rendered using the openstreetmap-carto style sheet; for GIS developers, OSM is a free database. This is not a contradiction. The generation of maps requires a database, and if the database is to be presented in a form that is easy for humans to understand, it must be rendered into a map.

I think it was at SotM.eu that I heard “OSM is a movement” and I quite liked that (feel free to stand up and let me know if it was you who said this).

This is really scary to me, because I have heard the term “Wikimedia Movement” before (and it seems WMF is keen on calling it that?). To a certain extent, it is defined in China as an ideological export from the United States because of it is a “movement”. I am concerned that our definition of OSM as a “movement” will make it political and prevent citizens from some countries with more conservative ideologies from participating in contributing to or benefiting from it.

At least as far as I am concerned, I am promoting it from the perspective of maps and databases and those related to geographic information science and computer science, rather than the abstract concept of “OSM”. (More like what open source technology evangelists do, at least focusing on the technology itself can make me feel safe in China to a certain extent)

I think part of the reason why I do buildings first then POI is because the POIs are usually more “temporary” than the buildings itself.

I agree with this, I only dare to draw POIs within the range where I usually live, because I make sure I pass by them from time to time and confirm that they are still open, but there is nothing I can do further away.