No, I just corrected it. Is it a bug?

A dentist should not have a nails name.

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Not sure why no tag was added

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I would recommend not disclosing yourself as the property owner due to privacy concern, we are not interested in this kind of information but your comment can’t be deleted.

If the road is completely removed, then feel free to remove anything that is dated from the satellite imagery. If it is just blocked / inaccessible, then you only need to update the access. Keep in mind, this project is not a Google Maps project, it includes everything on the ground.

Our available for use satellite imageries can keep up around mid 2022, which still shows the road there but with at least 2 different kind of “blocks”: 1 is a shed like building, another is a gate.

Again, most of the contributors here do not have much interests on private properties. If the road is completed removed (now covered with trees or grass or scrubs or …), you may remove it then.

Please note that you are not supposed to remove a road just because it is abandoned between parcels.

"Properties are not connected" does not mean "I can remove the road". What you need to do is to properly set the access and make sure no one can get onto it, and then add a note.

Any deletion like this is considered vandalism and your account may be blocked.

This question can be ignored

Under no circumstances would anyone change the road from service road to cart path. You can even see vehicles parked there.

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Please avoid adding junks.

If you do not know how to identify a building, do not proceed.

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Please explain the naming reason for that path.

Please be aware that importing junks into OSM will get yourself blocked (I don't believe that you draw everything here on your own).

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What sidewalks can be found out of nowhere?

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> Yes, Frederik and I have been at loggerheads for decades now. He thinks that abandoned railroads should NEVER be mapped, and if they're still visible, they should be mapped as embankment=yes or barrier=fence or whatever. He's welcome to be wrong, I've given up on getting wisdom from him.

Yes, you have the freedom to do this in OHM, since you two cannot agree with each other, and a lot of people cannot disagree with any of you as well.

> I realize that people disagree with me over the value of mapping abandoned railroads. The Facebook group "Abandoned Railroads" has 109K users so clearly people want them mapped.

If you constantly get into things like this, then it is your problem. 109K users/bots is not the point here. I think the last time you mentioned is around 80K, sounds like not many people agree with you over the years.

> I don't see the value in deleting things that someone else has added.

It depends, but let's not shift the topic to a wider range.

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> I suppose you also didn't see this? Obviously looks like a road to me.

It does not, more like a firebreak.

I saw the sign of no bike and no horse.

I don’t have issue with a ghost town, but it does not have much value at the time I replied here. Why we are against mapping these abandoned things is because generally speaking you add something that can’t be verified by most others (it does not exist in a form that we can identify, except for railways, still controversial) but generating more conflicts.

People have mentioned this to you since 2014, at GitHub, at mailing list... I don’t need to repeat. I’m not the one concerned about your profile, but you should carefully map anything without imagination. From your changeset history at this place, you added something without any reliable sources, it is not “you won’t show me any because I’m being aggressive”. You gave me a photo cropped from LiDAR, but the LiDAR source does not even show up in your changeset history as well. Therefore, you initially added something based on fantasy. It can be a sketch, but seriously speaking, when you have to add something in this way, perhaps you should rethink about it.

No one is going to cleanup these things / realign those you add because we can’t verify your edits, I even suggest not dropping FIXME because we do not have the ability to fix. Moreover, eventually all these junks will be gone, people (not just me) won’t stop deleting them because you add something that can’t be verified as a part of the current street.

Again, you are welcome to map at OHM for the historical things, but OSM is a project not just used by yourself. Based on your reply, I can say the same: If it is not there, I’m going to remove it. The reason of leaving these sudden comments is because I’ve been camping here in the last 4 days and yesterday I even went to the same location and I spent 1 hour walking around and still couldn’t verify your edits. Adding non existent paths/roads may impact the vegetation as well as endangering people, while it is unclear what kind of benefits can be brought.

I’m not a remote mapper in Pennsylvania and I do travel across towns for fixing TIGER junks, I welcome everyone to assist but we need to figure out a bottom line on these abandoned things that constantly cause confusions to other mappers.

https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/542

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2015-August/073670.html

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2015-September/074092.html

Can you do us a favor by not mapping the waterway in wrong direction when obviously it is a spillway?

Thanks.

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I recommend checking your own edits and remove tags like access:foot.

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You park on the road or something?

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BTW this changeset does look like you were importing from an unverified PGC sources, did you really process the data carefully?

I do not need to check LiDAR to see what is there, that is just ridiculous if you map abandoned based on LiDAR because we have so many abandoned stuffs since civil war and that is equivalent to adding junks (but to be fair I don’t think you do this all the time so let’s not discuss that). Historic sign means nothing, that sign does not serve as a map and it does not tell you what the road looked like decades ago. All you added are something abandoned, but do you have any guarantee that the road looked exactly like this in the past? BTW Bing does not display any data like this, so you added them based on your imagination, which is why we call it unacceptable.

I have plenty of evidence showing nothing there that “makes you think it is something abandoned in the year of 2022”, but more like scrubs and bushes. Connecting any “abandoned” with current road is not acceptable. We have OHM, perhaps you need to move to a new place.

It is ok to draw something abandoned, but it is not ok to restore them just because there is a sign, there is a trace in LiDAR.

Many developments will make road shorter, easier to drive, aligned with terrain for better sights. If you restore them as abandoned, I’m afraid this is called vandalism.

You have been there? Please show us the evidences that can be used to identify it as an abandoned road.

I’ve been there as well, numerous of times for state parks. That does not mean anything and I don’t mention it.

Your edit of living street has been reverted:

1. Streets with 25mph limit do not automatically qualify this type, as it is common in the residential area in the US.

2. Most of the living streets in US do not open to vehicle traffic (you will see bollards / brick surfaces / blocks, because only emergency vehicles can enter), which is more found in cities/large towns. A myriad of hoods like this one in PA, can be found in every state, residential road is still the preferred type.

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