Hello ikopanjirukmana,

I appreciate your contribution to this discussion. Thank you for the information about Jalan Nasional and clarifying the credibility of the resource provided by the Indonesian government.

Irfan_Muriy,

Thank you for taking the time to discuss highway classifications and share your resources with me!

Terima kasih,
EarlEBird

Greetings again Irfan_Muriy!
Thank you for providing the resource to the National Roads in Fakfak. Your response is greatly appreciated.

Is this resource (http://sigpjj.binamarga.pu.go.id/iyo/record/index/?data=104&page=1&sort=-kd_ruas) recognized and used by the Indonesia OpenStreetMap community? My understanding is that the classification structure in this area should reflect the OSM policy specified on the wiki.openstreetmap.org webpages.

I also want to kindly ask your opinion about changing the main highway=trunk roads in Fakfak to highway=primary based on the following information:
Fakfak is considered a “kabupaten” or “regency”, and the boundary is admin_level=5 based on the OSM tagging of osm.org/relation/14954918.
Kabupaten are assigned to admin_level=5 per Indonesia tagging conventions (osm.wiki/Indonesia#Tagging_conventions).
The Indonesia Tagging Guidelines for Roads (osm.wiki/Indonesian_Tagging_Guidelines#Roads) state that highway=primary or Primary Roads are the “main road in a regency (kabupaten) or city”.
This information has led me to believe that highway=trunk should be downgraded to highway=primary in Fakfak.

Thank you for your time,
EarlEBird

Hello Irfan_Muriy! I appreciate your response.

May I ask if there is an available webpage or resource for the provincial regulations that you are referring to?

I am also wondering if you would agree with revising the highway=trunk roads in the Fakfak area to secondary and tertiary classifications.
Per the Indonesian Tagging Guidelines on the OSM Wiki (osm.wiki/Indonesian_Tagging_Guidelines#Roads), highway=trunk follow the criteria of “Roads that go between major administrative areas” or connect “place=city”.

highway=secondary and highway=tertiary connect towns and villages, which I believe would be more appropriate for the roads in this area.
For example, the highways at osm.org/way/545502887 and osm.org/way/545502886 are both currently highway=trunk, but the Indonesia Tagging Guidelines may support highway=secondary because this road connects several villages and districts.

What are your thoughts on changing highway=trunk to highway=secondary or highway=tertiary in the Fakfak area?

Thanks,
EarlEBird

Hello Irfan_Miruy! Thank you for mapping.

I noticed you are reclassifying highways to highway=trunk here (osm.org/changeset/131142963) and here (osm.org/changeset/131764372). These classifications are not consistent with OSM policy(osm.wiki/Tag:highway=trunk) and the Indonesian Tagging Guidelines (osm.wiki/Indonesian_Tagging_Guidelines#Roads).

Would you be open to collaborating on the highway classifications around this area?

Thanks,
EarlEBird

Correction: Esri World Imagery was used.

Correction: OSM Data was also cited.

Correction: Mapillary was also cited.

Also used Yandex Panorama to confirm permitted turn maneuvers using road markings.

Hello literan, thank you for reaching out.

I added “access=permissive” to this barrier based on the Yandex Panorama, as well as the definition of “permissive” found on the Russian OSM wiki (osm.wiki/RU:Key:access#Значения). I believed that the presence of the lift gate suggests that permission to enter can be revoked at any time, but now I understand now that this location is not open for free access by vehicles. May I ask why you replaced the “access” tag with “motor_vehicle”? Do you believe access is different for pedestrians/cyclists? Also, what are your thoughts on the use of “barrier=gate” vs “barrier=lift_gate” in this situation, as it appears the metal gate may close in front of the lift_gate?

EarlEBird

Похоже мы согласны с тем, что южный объезд лучше подходит для регионального проезда чем старый Р-217 через Гудермес. Это подтверждает новая позиция тегов/отношений «int_ref = E 50», а также новый дизайн, который похож на автомагистраль. Я понижу классификацию старого Р-217 до «highway=primary». Спасибо за помощь!

Привет et2t, спасибо за информацию. Я ценю ваш быстрый ответ. Согласитесь ли вы с тем, что старое шоссе P-217 следует реклассифицировать в качестве "highway=primary”?

Hello et2t, thank you for mapping. Is the trunk road with the P-217 ref traveling through Гудермес still valid?

EarlEBird

Agreed, thanks!

Hi Kovoschiz, thanks for reaching out. The imagery I referenced does not provide clear evidence that the previous road layout will be retained, and did not want to make any assumptions. I understood the “construction=landuse” polygons present here to represent this project, which suggest that this area is still subject to change. I reviewed the OSM wikis regarding construction (osm.wiki/Key:construction, osm.wiki/Tag:highway%3Dconstruction) and am not aware that this is an established best practice.

Let me know if you have any questions,
EarlEBird