@xamanu:

TLDR: We need a checklist/guideline, what is the “true” FOSS (in spirit)!

:)

OSMF FOSS dogfooding

for me ~ “FOSS allows for better collaboration among various parties and individuals with the goal of developing the most efficient software, hardware, documentation, open data, map data, … “

1.

for the outsider - the https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/FOSS_Policy page is not a true FOSS .. because collaboration is disabled! “Only foundation website editors have accounts on here” and this can be miss-interpet as a “We don’t want your feedback, suggestions, collaborations in this website !”

2.

The better example: https://welcome.openstreetmap.org/ this can be edit ( the github repo is linked ) .. but this is “hidden” .. not visible …

3.

(for me) the best example is “the postgis workshop page” : “Edit this page” Gitlab | Github “ is visible, and there is 2 alternative .. so the “everybody with an anti-github-sentiment” can collaborate.

check yourself: https://postgis.net/workshops/postgis-intro/geometry_returning.html

collaboration not only allowed .. you have a choice !

second order thinking:

“Often when we solve one problem, we end up unintentionally creating another one that’s even worse. The best way to examine the long-term consequences of our decisions is to use second-order thinking.”

• https://fs.blog/2016/04/second-order-thinking/
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect

The postgis project has 3 Source code repository, but the most popular is still the github mirror.

• OSGeo GIT repository : https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/postgis/
  • ( PR: 8 open; 44 closed )
• GitHub mirror : https://github.com/postgis/postgis/
  • ( PR: 5 open; 595 closed ) <– most popular !
• GitLab mirror : https://gitlab.com/postgis/postgis/
  • ( PR: 3 open; 13 closed )

My pragmatic suggestion: just create another 2 git mirror and keep the github :

• mirror1: in the openstreetmap.org (gitea)
• mirror2: in gitlab

diversity

We need multiple alternatives ( ~ git(hub) mirrors ) so

• the “purist” FOSS users ( with an anti-github-sentiment )
• and the pragmatic GITHUB users ( who also wants the second-order positive recruiting effect by the corporate recruiters )

can contribute as they like …

imho: in the next version .. please add some long term vision/recomendations about open-source computing hardware !

• When we will using “Fully open-source hardware” in the server side? ( CPU, … )

• When we will using “Fully open-source hardware” in the mapping process?

  • Open Source Hardware based GPS (Satellite and a receiver ) ; RTK ?

test

Please create a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosexuality logo! so everybody can choose!

“The most difficult follows – our Mailman mailing lists.”

Thank you for sharing information.

Just a note for the future mailing list processing:

There are at least 2 google-groups based country mailing lists:

• OSM-HU ( Hungary) - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/openstreetmap-hungary
• OSM-SK ( Slovakia ) - http://groups.google.sk/group/osm_sk/

OFF:

it is not a big problem - for the simple statistics, but can be a “real problem” for contacting local OSM community - in emergency cases.

• I have filled an issue: https://github.com/osmfoundation/welcome-mat/issues/35

sometimes I have found an OpenStreetMap links on commenting the news.

like: Hacker News comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17756930

This repo ? https://github.com/Telenav/Telenav.AI

Today’s challenges are our opportunities!

I prefer: “Challenge” or “Strategic Inflection Point” expression insted of “OpenStreetMap is dying”.

For me : “OpenStreetMap is dying”: is a self-fulfilling prophecy, it is like predicting the worst , similar than “nocebo” in medicine.

Zverik:As you know, in this world to stay in place, you must run as fast as you can.

my favorite quote: “If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together.”

We have a similar problems like other open source projects, What we can learn ? (“Shared vision”, “More contributors means less progress”,”Implementing peer review”) https://opensource.com/life/14/6/12-challenges-open-source-projects

related :)

SOTM2016:OpenStreetMap for educational purposes

abstract: “I work a lot on how we can use OpenStreetMap with children in many ways for many objectives (knowing our daily environment, talking about commons, sharing our knowledge…). We also have experience of work with youth workers in social center, etc. We would like to share our initiatives, our experiences to spread OSM in direction of youngs in the world.”

Hi @mmd,

Also, I don’t quite get how the osmium filter on “v1” helps to solve the issue looking at the output above. Right now, the version filter used in the Overpass query does exactly the same already.

The osmium cat is processing “osh”( history ) file, and my problem with normal overpass “user” is that very hard to query the first v1:”user” of the object.

• Overpass API: ‘user’ : “data that has been touched the last time by a particular user.”

So for me the “osmium cat -opl” preprocessing is much easy.

I have created a draft query, but maybe this is only a 15% of the final solution. ( I don’t know the original context of the problem )

This method is good enough for me - most of the times, but not perfect for calculating the original length of the new roads made by given user. ( this is the other ~ 85% of the work … )

• osmium cat filtering OpenStreetMap history data ( osh /canada/nova-scotia.osh.pbf )
  • new_highway_v1.sh
• generated overpass query ( query the current state of the ways )
  • this is the output of previous script: overpass_query.txt ( Copy - Paste to overpass - and run in “ /canada/nova-scotia” )

This is only a draft solution ( Proof of concept ) and can be improved in the “osmium filter” and the “overpass” side.

As I see - on the Overpass Side the generated query can be improved with:

• https://github.com/drolbr/Overpass-API/pull/358 Multiple id query (id: )
• or more later with this improvement: https://github.com/drolbr/Overpass-API/issues/282

for osmium tool ( opl ) see Usage Examples :

• http://osmcode.org/opl-file-format/#usage-examples

again:

wget http://download.geofabrik.de/europe/romania.osh.pbf

How can we identify, … just the new roads made by a user ? And don’t tell me use the full planet history,

Why not?

example for a small history: “romania.osh.pbf, a file that contains the full OSM history for this region for processing with e.g. osmium.” ( this method should work with planet history! )

only 2 command line:

wget http://download.geofabrik.de/europe/romania.osh.pbf osmium cat romania.osh.pbf -f opl | grep baditaflorin | grep “ v1 “ | grep “highway=” > baditaflorin_v1_highway.opl

And I have found 11039 data cat baditaflorin_v1_highway.opl | wc -l 11039

tail baditaflorin_v1_highway.opl w424982374 v1 dV c40024550 t2016-06-14T19:15:06Z i398300 ubaditaflorin Thighway=track Nn4243347098,n4243347109,n4243347117,n4243347120,n4243347125,n4243347132,n4243347137,n4243347143,n4243347153,n4243347176,n4243347197,n4243347205,n4243347210,n4243347217,n4243347216,n4243347212,n4243347204,n4243347192,n4243347180 w424982375 v1 dV c40024550 t2016-06-14T19:15:07Z i398300 ubaditaflorin Thighway=track Nn4243347071,n4243347066,n4243347059,n4243347045,n4243347032,n4243347017,n4243347006,n4243347004,n4243347002,n4243346996,n4243346574,n4243346560,n4243346546,n4243346545,n4243346544,n4243346543,n4243346542,n4243346541,n4243346540,n4243346539,n4243346538,n4243346537,n4243346536,n4243346535,n4243346534,n4243346533,n4243346532,n4243346531,n4243346530,n4243346529,n4243346528 w424982376 v1 dV c40024550 t2016-06-14T19:15:07Z i398300 ubaditaflorin Thighway=track Nn255357385,n4243347278,n4243347295,n4243347302,n4243347307 w424982377 v1 dV c40024550 t2016-06-14T19:15:07Z i398300 ubaditaflorin Thighway=track Nn4243347153,n4243347161,n4243347170,n4243347187,n4243347202 w424982378 v1 dV c40024550 t2016-06-14T19:15:07Z i398300 ubaditaflorin Thighway=track Nn4243347063,n4243347068,n4243347074,n4243347088,n4243347089,n4243347092,n4243347100,n4243347110,n4243347127,n4243347138,n4243347152,n4243347171,n4243347196,n4243347206,n4243347211,n4243347231,n4243347232,n4243347236,n4243347243,n4243347250,n4243347256,n4243347261,n4243347262,n4243347263,n4243347265,n4243347267,n4243347266,n4243347268,n4243347270,n4243347271,n4243347272,n4243347287,n4243347296,n4243347297,n4243347300,n4243347304,n4243347306,n4243347313,n4243347315,n4243347317,n4243347320,n4243347324,n4243347338,n4243347349,n4243347353,n4243347369,n4243347391,n4243347405,n4243347408,n4243347411,n4243347419,n4243346814,n4243346823,n4243346832,n4243346840,n4243346846,n4243346844,n4243346837,n4243346821 w424982379 v1 dV c40024550 t2016-06-14T19:15:07Z i398300 ubaditaflorin Thighway=track Nn4243347393,n4243347401,n4243347396,n4243347388,n4243347387,n4243347386 w424982380 v1 dV c40024550 t2016-06-14T19:15:07Z i398300 ubaditaflorin Thighway=track Nn4243347087,n4243347086,n4243347069,n4243347044,n4243347041,n4243347037,n4243347030 w424982381 v1 dV c40024550 t2016-06-14T19:15:07Z i398300 ubaditaflorin Thighway=track Nn4243347019,n4243347003,n4243346994,n4243346586,n4243346573,n4243346571,n4243346568,n4243346558 w424982382 v1 dV c40024550 t2016-06-14T19:15:07Z i398300 ubaditaflorin Thighway=track Nn4243347072,n4243347067,n4243347031,n4243347021,n4243347008,n4243346989,n4243346578,n4243346569 w424982866 v1 dV c40024550 t2016-06-14T19:19:56Z i398300 ubaditaflorin Thighway=track Nn255357375,n4243353116,n4243353115,n4243353114,n4243353113,n4243353112,n4243353111,n4243353110,n4243353109,n4243353108,n4243353107,n4243353106,n4243353105,n4243353104,n4243353103,n4243353102,n4243353101,n4243353100

NOW - it is possible to download the OSM history for Italy ( http://download.geofabrik.de/europe/italy.html )

• “italy.osh.pbf, a file that contains the full OSM history for this region for processing with e.g. osmium. This file was last modified 13 hours ago. File size: 2.0 GB; MD5 sum: …..”

So the statistics will be better! :)

> https://www.mapbox.com/blog/new-mapbox-logo/ > “Rotating 45°”

:)

Instead of “Rotating 45°” it can be a “Rotating 42°” ( it is only a small change )

“42” is very Good Number: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number)

so it will be easy to connect to:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy_(novel)
• http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=answer+to+life+%2B+42
• http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/42-the-answer-to-life-the-universe-and-everything-2205734.html

The Good Part :

• The logo “blue” hex code is “Hex #4264fb” ( 42 inside !!! extra secret meaning !!! )

osm.wiki/Multilingual_names#Belarus

How OSMF Could Help?

:)

OSM Stickers

Is it possible to order/receive OSM Stickers for small osm communities?
( Like: osm.wiki/Category:Stickers )

For Example ( Hungary )

• We don’t have enough capacity to design/organize our stickers
• Probably we can pay the “Cost price” of stickers, and if we order together maybe it will be more economical.
• For Our community / for Meetups/ Local IT conferences / Mapping parties:
  • we need ~ 500-1000 stickers/year,
• The ideal sticker will be language neutral ( just the “OpenStreetMap” text ) or a minimal English text.
• In the SOTM/FOSS4G/* conference we can pick up our country package ( so sometimes no need a postal cost )
• If other OSM related companies want to support us - they can add their Stickers for our ( country ) package ( like Mapillary, Maps.me, Mapbox, Telenav, … )

status: [1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DBCm6AQ7k7VCdy99bnYYpRvrzfvPyppsHDIprTCOdVk/edit?usp=sharing

Now :

• the input:
  • brazil.osh.pbf ( http://download.geofabrik.de/south-america/brazil.html ) but this is not allways up-todate ..
  • “Latest Weekly Changesets” 1.7 GB,
• Now I am using “osmium tool” + minimal python code.
• the result can be load to Postgres / Sqlite / google sheet / Excel / Libreoffice
  • see Goole Spreedsheet link [1]
• The current algorithm:
  • The actual version has key:highway + key:name and the previous version has not key:name

ToDo:

• Need some formating / testing / tunning
• Need recreating brazil.osh.pbf ( for up to date )
  • From the full history ( 56 Gb ) ? http://planet.osm.org/planet/full-history/
• “filter where street names were inserted” - this is the (nearest) city or region name?
  • this is not so easy .. need some geocoding + database :(
• Check alternative solutions ..

Naoliv:

• What is your technical background ( python ? sql? linux scripting? )

( next status report : maybe end of the next week )

Hi naoliv,

I have started ..

• What is the “first date” and “last date” you need ?
• The earliest streetname changeset is from 2007-02-27 osm.org/changeset/225008

I have created a simple sheet for 2017-01. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nYblVf6ZKT7AKoqk729BVyqY6ZDTAhaLPBQuBQMf70o/edit?usp=sharing

maybe the 1.,2. requirement is not hard , [ for a v3. I need to add the changeset values )

:)

According to the “LibreOffice Calc files” - “Null Island” is better than “Czech Republic”

• Indonesia
• People’s Republic of China
• Null Island
• Czech Republic