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EDIT: This imagery will only be out of copyright from the end of 2022 (in other words, we will be able to use it in 2023). Also in 2023, building and housenumber imagery from 1940s to 1960s will be released for the whole of England and Wales

As anyone mapping in the UK knows, in most areas housenumber coverage is abysmal. For example, in osm, germany has 14 million housenumbers, USA has 10 million and the UK has about 1.6 million (as of 2018).

Therefore, an open data source of housenumbers would make it significantly easier to add housenumbers. The only other method is surveys, which is slow and tedious and can only really be done over a small area.

It just came to my attention that an out-of-copyright map from the National Library of Scotland of housenumbers and buildings in London is available for OSM. This is a old map, that was surveyed from 1944-1967.

Due to this, lots of construction and destruction has taken place since then, so in some areas of London, this map will not be useful. However, many buildings have remained the same since then, and if that case this map provides a far, far quicker way of mapping housenumbers compared to going out and surveying them yourself.

To test the imagery, follow these steps (in JOSM):

  1. Imagery –> Rectified Image
  2. Select “Custom WMS Link”
  3. Enter the following string into the textbox (including the “tms:” part): tms:https://geo.nls.uk/mapdata3/os/ldn_tile/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png

This map extends to Brighton and Southend, although it does not provide housenumbers in those areas, only buildings. (However, for some reason housenumbers are present in the districts west of Brighton, e.g Worthing)

If you want examples of this imagery being used, user Spiregrain has mapped significant sections of “Stratford New Town” in London using this imagery. I mapped some housenumbers in Sheerness using this imagery.

This should be very useful to many London mappers, and it would be great if people would start entering this data right away.

However, I think the best way of getting all this data into OSM is by using a tasking manager.

As of current, I don’t think there is a UK tasking manager, I think it is worth it create one just for this task.

The other advantage of a tasking manager is that you can mark “bad imagery”, in other words, you can mark tiles where construction has taken place, making the map useless.

If OSM UK can be contacted about implementing a tasking manager for this, that would be great.

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nickjohnstonтарафынан30 October 2020 cәғәт 11:21көндө ҡаралған

I share your enthusiasm for improving UK address coverage, but alas I don’t think these maps can be used. The maps themselves are out of copyright, but the company who digitised them seems to assert copyright over the images.

Richardтарафынан30 October 2020 cәғәт 22:06көндө ҡаралған

@nickjohnston: the maps are fine, NLS have said to OSM that they’re keen for us to use their scans. Besides that, there’s no basis in British law for asserting a “thin copyright” on derived information purely because you’ve copyrighted the scans themselves - indeed, it’s even debatable whether faithful scans pass the threshold to be copyrighted in the first place (the IPO now appears to be of the opinion they don’t).

nickjohnstonтарафынан31 October 2020 cәғәт 18:41көндө ҡаралған

@Richard: thanks for the correction. I’m glad to be wrong in this case :)

IpswichMapperтарафынан30 November 2020 cәғәт 20:22көндө ҡаралған

Oh well, it seems that we can’t use the imagery for the exact reason @nickjohnston stated. Here is a response from NLS when asked about the imagery:

I wish I could give you better news on the 1940s OS maps of south-east England. Unfortunately, you’re right, they were scanned by a third-party commercial company who have placed commercial re-use restrictions on this layer – there are further details under our Copyright Exceptions list at https://maps.nls.uk/copyright.html#exceptions. These restrictions will last for another couple of years – until the end of 2022 – which I know might seem a long way off, but hopefully will pass quickly. Then we’ll be happily able to share them with the OSM community, along with the rest of England and Wales National Grid 1940s-1960s mapping, that will be of interest too.

Seems like 2023 is the year when we get imagery of buildings and housenumbers all over Britain.

For now, however, I don’t know how to delete this diary entry.

SomeoneElseтарафынан30 November 2020 cәғәт 20:26көндө ҡаралған

For now, however, I don’t know how to delete this diary entry.

As a moderator I can hide it if you want, but it seems a bit drastic - why not just edit it so it’s got a caveat at the top saying “we can’t don’t do this until 2023”?

IpswichMapperтарафынан30 November 2020 cәғәт 20:58көндө ҡаралған

Okay fine.

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