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150384745 over 1 year ago

Please stop deleting and redrawing randomly. You are removing info as well.

150326255 over 1 year ago

Please don't delete `=footway` connected to a `=pedestrian` . They are needed to make crossing across it anywhere work.

150338091 over 1 year ago

Please don't add lot info as `landuse=` . This is not suitable.

149895936 over 1 year ago

The other situation aside from concourses is when the domestic and international, or departures or arrivals (apparently the case in CDG T3) in 1 terminal.
Many `=terminal` in France seems to be wrongly added by `source = cadastre-dgi-fr source : Direction Générale des Finances Publiques - Cadastre. Mise à jour : 201*`

149895936 over 1 year ago

Another example of connector section having `=terminal` in CTS osm.org/way/1106836257
Using `=terminal` to mean this is a terminal building simply conflicts with the idea of this is 1 terminal/concourse where there are multiple `building=` .

149895936 over 1 year ago

For named ones, eg Brussels certainly have `=terminal` as the 2 piers, but `=terminal` is also wrongly used on the connector section. Are there 1, 3, or 4 terminals? Worse there is a 5th osm.org/way/367788803 for the military part. Applications can't make use of such ill-defined data reliably. That's why expanding the use of `=terminal` is poorly conceived.
Maybe you agree `=concourse` can at least be used inside one `building=` . What about others that think it's fine to use `=terminal` on every "part" of the airport? The definition of `=terminal` is best not be diluted and turned to meaningless.
In CDG where `=terminal` is used for separate satellite concourse `building=` , the "Liaison" section between 2A and 2C also has `=terminal` added. osm.org/way/141149076

149895936 over 1 year ago

1. The question is at the same time about why should overlapping `=terminal` inside another one be valid. This makes them redundant, and causes definition and consistency problems. Besides, how do you know why they exist as `=terminal` + `building=` ? Users may not know other solutions, they didn't touch the `building=` , or someone like you added the`terminal` back, etc. There are many possibilities. What I want to show there is as titled, and your point 2, about the possibility of `=terminal` `=multipolygon` without `building=` .
3. They can still understand the `building=` . What's the difference? When they need more detailed info, they have to look at `building=` , `building:part=` , etc anyway.
4. Skypier is a different tab or bookmark, They are simply shown as next to each other on the map. What I want to ask is if main T1 + NSC is 1 `building=` , how should the `=terminal` be handled? If the examples show `building:part=` + `=terminal` is also used, is `=terminal` really defined as always `=terminal` + `building=` ? Many `=terminal` are also wrongly duplicated.

There are 5024 `wr[aeroway=terminal][!name];` results , that's more than half of the 9804 instances in total. Many could be valid as the unnamed only one in many small airports, but many more look invalid as being close to each other. It seems `=terminal` is not mostly used properly.

150064118 over 1 year ago

This is actually wrong. The absolute position is correct. It's the two relatively positioned on the west that are inaccurate in the first place.

149895936 over 1 year ago

Bucharest Henri Coanda, the `building=` vs `building:part=` problem osm.org/way/771096083

149895936 over 1 year ago

`=terminal` without `building=` xamples:
LHR T5 osm.org/relation/334919
CDG T3, separated into arrivals and departures osm.org/relation/8473008
NRT T3, it may be asked what's the difference when the bridge is constructed together osm.org/relation/8900158
Bahama, very interesting case of 2 small `building=` separated. Is anyone going to make them separate `=terminal`? osm.org/relation/16025827
Honolulu International T1 Concourse B osm.org/relation/14332839
These are better handled by `=concourse` inside.

149895936 over 1 year ago

1. For "invalid", I used it to the clearly ill-defined `site=terminal` which has no indication on what "terminal" it is.
2. `=university` is basically used as a university campus. But this is not comparable. Using `=terminal` for concourses is similar to using `=university` for Main and Centennial Campus in HKU separately, when they are continuous. That's actually named "Main Estate" officially, due to confusion with the old "Main Campus".
3. A `=site` + `=terminal` and `=terminal` polygon referring to different things is contradictory. You can notice there is a `perimeter` role defined for `=site` . Main T1 doesn't fit that.
3,4. If you see a possibility for main T1 and NSC to be 1 `building=` , isn't that conflicting with your preferred definition of `=terminal` to be 1 `=terminal` + `building=` ?
6.1. As I said, OSM has more precise, technical, and professional treatment. Other apps will have their own limitations, and they don't care about what is `=stopway` etc either. If you search "concourse vs terminal", you can see many results, and how they can be treated as different levels. You can see the same thing in HKIA officially, where they put all the T1 concourses in 1 tab. https://www.hongkongairport.com/en/map/
6.2. A `=terminal` covering all the `=concourse` shows what is accessed from the terminal completely. They can see the different `building=` without the need of a `=terminal` . It's also not exactly the same for navigating passengers. In the same main T1, they have to take the APM to West Hall for NW and SW concourse, while they can walk from East Hall to T1 Satellite Concourse directly. What matters is reaching the airport, where they only need to choose between T1, and T2 in the coming future. For the latter, the 2 buildings are called T2 and T2 Concourse. Making them different `=terminal` doesn't aid understanding. They can only go to T2 terminal directly.

149895936 over 1 year ago

Terminals vs concourses matters for presentation in application. A passenger going to an airport only needs to look at terminals first, then the concourses after entering. Making many `=terminal` inside the airport makes them less useful.

149895936 over 1 year ago

A wiki definition isn't absolute, and it may be using common language, or describing common simple case of having 1 terminal and 1 concourse only. `building=` already means it is a "building". Repeating this definition in `=terminal` is redundant. The emphasis on "building" may also refer to how you shouldn't draw the `=terminal` to cover the apron, only the passenger facility.

149895936 over 1 year ago

1. Why is it "invalid"? There's no "not accepted", especially for such a specialized topic. It is used by a few already. As asked there, JFK does have concourse A and B in Terminal 4. That remains unsolved.
2,3. I have already considered backward compatibility. The presence of `building=` is on those 2 `aeroway=concourse` should be enough. There is no necessity to enforce a one-to-one correspondence between `=terminal` and `building=` . For example, if Sky Bridge is considered as a `building:part=bridge` , can main T1 and NSC be 1 `building=` ? The definition of a `building=` may vary. The main problem here is both MFC and NSC are named "concourse", and marked as T1. That should be consistent with the 5 concourses in main T1.
4. There is no such thing as you must use "approved" features osm.wiki/Any_tags_you_like
5. You know you can discuss on my changeset first? Saying "fix incorrect" without checking doesn't help. You say "and it seems to make no sense to me personally. " , that's why " This doesn't automatically mean you should remove them. They may have been added for a specific purpose. If you think they might be junk then try to contact the author. ".

149895936 over 1 year ago

T1 is one terminal. MFC and NSC are 2 concourses of it. This follows the name, obviously.
2. `site=terminal` is invalid. What "terminal"? `aeroway=terminal` should be used Don't use `=site` either when `=multipolygon` is fine. Then it has the meaning as T1 being a `=terminal` covering all of these concourses. It is inconsistent to have some concourses being `=terminal` . and others simply a `building:part=` . This doesn't follow how they are named as T1 either. Different `building=` doesn't matter.

149895936 over 1 year ago

Actually Ft Lauderdale, and Richmond. In any case, please follow osm.wiki/Good_practice#Don't_remove_tags_that_you_don't_understand

149895936 over 1 year ago

Please read osm.wiki/Talk:Aeroways#Aeroway=concourse . This is in use in JFK. This is not a `building:part=` . It's meaningless to use it without different `building:levels=` etc 3D attributes.

149819829 over 1 year ago

Please don't upload test edits to a live public database. This is considered vandalism.

149808694 over 1 year ago

Please don't change minibus stops to franchised bus stops. Create a new point.

149772510 over 1 year ago

Please don't remove the `landuse=highway`