OpenStreetMap
English is not your native language ? but you like to contribute to OSM ? And you don’t know what means ‘asl’, ‘it’ or ‘ngo’ ? Your dictionnary doesn’t help you ? Who cares ! Return to Google Map Maker, moron !
That’s what I feel when I find OSM objects carrying such tags… And btw, all of such tags are always documented “as de facto” and never through a consensus process… Please think about the 75% of the world not using english as mother tongue.
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2013년 8월 14일 16:53에 SK53님의 의견
You can add atm to your list (probably more frequently used than any of the above).
It’s fine to peeve, but it works two ways, there are plenty of tags which are completely opaque or confusing to native english speakers too.
IIRC cycleway=asl (advanced stop line) was discussed, but probably on the osm-gb IRC channel and around 67% of current uses are in Great Britain.
Some uses of abbreviations are inevitable, such as ref:INSEE (not obvious if you’re not French) or ref:vatin, particularly when these are not supported by editors. Needing to type in cycleway=advanced_stop_line is a good way to discourage their mapping. Your examples happen to all be documented on the wiki, which is a tad surprising. Adding editor support for such keys can hide the naughtiness of illicit use of abbreviations in the value.
Personally I find traffic_sign one of the more opaque keys.
2013년 8월 14일 16:54에 Pink Duck님의 의견
asl = Advanced Stop Line office=IT, addr:country=IT, typo for lit? Who knows. The clue is likely in the key name. ngo = Non-Government Organisation
2013년 8월 14일 17:20에 maxolasersquad님의 의견
Some tags are non obvious to some English speakers too. Like leisure=pitch. As an American I have never ever heard of pitch used as a noun to describe a playing field. I’ve asked a number of my friends and family and they didn’t know what it is either. That’s why we have the wiki. Also, it is extremely detrimental to the community to refer to contributors to OSM as morons. I’d rather those with an attitude bugger of to Google Map Maker than those who are making low-quality edits.
2013년 8월 14일 17:37에 Pieren님의 의견
Read carefully my post. I’m not saying that contributors are morons but people creating tags with abbreviations calling me a moron if I don’t understand their abbreviations or acronyms immediatly…
2013년 8월 15일 08:36에 Richard님의 의견
“it” is the neuter third-person singular pronoun in English. Steve Coast explains “asl” in this photo. “ngo” is a less common form of “ngggggggggggggggggggggh”, which is an expression of frustration at the latest buffoonery inflicted in the wonderful world of OSM. HTH. (Hope this helps.)
2013년 8월 15일 12:30에 Pieren님의 의견
geowankers, LOL @Pink Duike : of course, I knew the meaning of all these abbreviations before my post. It is just frustrating that I had to look somewhere else before I understood ‘asl’ or ‘ngo’. Probably like many, many other contributors. Tags should be self-explanatory when possible.
2013년 10월 10일 19:22에 Govanus님의 의견
Although the i button in id is now working to solve the problem as a novice working on potlatch I found trying to find info on advance tags quite long-winded (its improving and experience helps it make more sense too) and didn’t learn what a relation was for months till someone commented on a diary entry! ġhaveing taken a while to explore that part rather than just editing..
it would have been nice to have in the editor a direct feed to place that takes new proposed tags; from the place you are about to add a new one especially if the editor doesn’t recognise it. Smart editors could remember your new tags along with approval status and allow the interface to grow to help needs…
as a programmer that prefers machine code programming to either assembly or other higher programming language simply because you can’t get syntax errors from bad grammar I prefer documented abbreviations that I can understand the key is getting the documentation made at the point you try expand the schema or before so that they become de-facto after thoughts. In the same vain also felt uncomfortable defining times on parking tags in English when a agreed number sequence would do like Gregorian months in Chinese are.
I think things are likely to improve, rather than worsen; as editor support, for this side of mapmaking, improves too.
2013년 10월 10일 19:29에 Govanus님의 의견
re rereading i ment to type;- ..before. So that they don’t just become defacto standard, afterthoughts