Discussion and context at osm.org/changeset/164374024

Discussion and context at osm.org/changeset/164374024

Following the input from the community, I have reverted the deletion.

For the record, on the left are the building deletion changesets, and on the right is their corresponding revert changeset:

164374687 - revert is 164563841. 44 changes.
164374381 - revert is 164563893. 30 changes.
164374216 - revert is 164563942. 44 changes.
164374031 - revert is 164564109. 1108 changes.
164374027 - revert is 164564158. 10,000 changes.
164374024 - revert is 164564201. 10,000 changes.

Discussion and context at osm.org/changeset/164374024

Discussion and context at osm.org/changeset/164374024

Discussion and context at osm.org/changeset/164374024

Discussion and context at osm.org/changeset/164374024

As a side note, I do not like Telegram and prefer the forum. The forums are slower and more thoughtful, they're also permanent records that are more easily searchable, so they serve as a documentation while Telegram is ephemeral. Also, they have a URL, can be linked to, and aren't a walled garden. Telegram is also not fully aligned with OSS/privacy ideologies.

Thank you for the input. You're right about the bulk edit guideline, and about the data now being part of OSM.

Since I've been (almost) the sole editor of this region for quite a while, including the buildings, I felt at liberty doing this. But it should have been discussed first nevertheless.

The inaccurate buildings a mild nuisance when I'm adding more accurate data that doesn't fit them, but since I have no particularly strong opinion on this , I'll simply perform revert. Does anybody have a problem with that?

Both are valid points, but:

The building mapping arbitrarily cuts off in nothern dalia and doesn't continue to Isfiya. I think this makes it less usable for calculations and misleading in visualizations.

As for navigation, I do try navigation via osmand / Organic maps. The building density mid Dalia is high and the mapping is mostly plain squares, without addresses, to the point of them being mostly noise. I did keep prominent buildings that are actually good landmarks.

In the outskirts where the buildings are sparse, a building can indeed be a very helpful navigational aid, even without an address, but this is actually the region least up to date since those areas got urbanized very rapidly. And in fact, having 1 building mapped when 3 are present in a sparse area can be confusing navigationally.

This doesn't completely invalidate your points; someone doing some calculations for Dalia exclusively, not minding inaccuracies, might benefit somewhat, but it does reduce the usefulness.

Personally, I think starting over while prioritizing notable buildings (sparse or prominent), for both Isfiya and Dalia, is the best course of action in this case.

I think the best course of action is to gradually re-map, prioritizing the outskirts where buildings are serious landmarks,

Discussion and reason for deletion in this changeset: osm.org/changeset/164374024

Discussion and reason for deletion in this changeset: osm.org/changeset/164374024

Discussion and reason for deletion in this changeset: osm.org/changeset/164374024

Discussion and reason for deletion in this changeset: osm.org/changeset/164374024

Discussion and reason for deletion in this changeset: osm.org/changeset/164374024

This changeset series removes buildings in Daliat el carmel, which I added back in 2017 based on armchair mapping.

I only deleted buildings having building=yes with no other tags. Notable buildings were preserved.

Reason for deletion:

1. The data is out of date. Many buildings changed since the mapping since there was rapid urbanization in the area.
2. Buildings are poorly mapped in dense regions.
3. There are no home addresses in this village, so these buildings provides no navigational value at all and are mostly noise.
4. The buildings are getting in the way of more accurate outdoor mapping surveys, such as in https://osmcha.org/changesets/164293103

יש כאן בעיה שהבנתי שלא קשורה אליכם.

יש אלפי מסלולים לא רשמיים. וזה לא נכון לשתול אותה הערה לכל אחד. מפת הטיולים הפתוחה צריכה להציג חווי לגבי מה רשמי ומה לא. המידע קיים ופשוט לא מוצג.

פתחתי על זה פניה כאן:

https://github.com/IsraelHikingMap/Site/issues/2140

See: osm.wiki/Israel#Names_of_unofficial_MTB_single-tracks

"Official mountain-bike (MTB) trails are represented using relations, as described above. In addition there are many unofficial single-tracks that have been named by the MTB community. Such single-tracks do not have relations. Instead, the mtb:name=* mtb:name:he=*, and mtb:name:en=* (optional) are placed on the way(s) themselves.

The mtb:name=* tags can also capture the name of a special segment within an official MTB trail. For example, the "סינגל הכלניות" segment of Beeri Single. "

שלום! הוספתם כאן הערה שהסינגל לא רשמי.

יש אינספור סינגלים לא רשמיים בארץ. את הרשמיים אנחנו מתייגים באמצעות relations כדי להבדיל מהלא רשמיים.

האם יש פה הצדקה להערה ספציפית לסינגל הזה?

I've verified the guidepost is still there. The note was closed.