OpenStreetMap logo OpenStreetMap

Post When Comment
First week

Thanks for the research. It looks like, when they named the street, they intentionally picked a word with richer connotations than those of alternatives such as « bavardage ». Similarly, according to your second source, they named a path for cyclists and roller skaters « chemin des pensées ». 🙂

Speaking of terminology, your first source uses the German word „blockhaus“ in a sense I hadn’t known yet. So I now learned that there is not only this civil sense, but also Blockhaus (Militär).

First week

Thank you, your second last paragraph addresses exactly what I need.

BTW, funny name on your example map: « Alllée des Chuchotements ». Do you know the history of that name, by any chance?

Kind regards, Sebastian

First week

Thanks to both of you who replied in the last few days. (I thanked Richard privately).

Tony: I currently am not very active here, but I will install JOSM when I do more. The other editors listed on the wiki page are interesting, too; I might install one of them on my cell phone.

Florent: From the history page you describe, I see no way to get the history of a specific feature. E.g. from the screen shot in my OP, I get just another map view, which doesn’t even display my selection anymore. The only potentially interesting thing related to history is one orange line crossing it; presumably part of the border of some bigger changeset affecting some features in the displayed area.

The sidebar shows entries such as the following:

  • Modified via wheelmap.org
    Created about 4 hours ago by wheelmap_visitor · #112638703
    0

Not very informative – in general, the whole sidebar shows no information in any way related to the feature of interest. Even when I go further, checking individual sidebar entries, I see nothing that points to the selected feature. Or am I missing anything?

First week

Thank you, Jerry.

  • Good idea to remind me of keyboard shortcuts, of which F11 is something I could have tried since it used in other apps, too. Others are listed in this dedicated wiki page, btw.
  • The “Map Data tab” is nice to have, but I don’t see how that addresses any of the issues I described. It doesn’t seem to offer a way e.g. to turn off bus stopping locations while keeping bus stops, the names for both of them (as mentioned in #1) or the items listed in #2 while keeping other features on.
    BTW, it took me some time to find that tab; it seems to have some strange behavior. Initially, none of the tool tips of the icons on the right edge said “Map Data”. One of them, presumably the one below the layers symbol, opened a dialog that had a check box that said something with “Map Data”. I selected that and – voilà – since then the tool tip for that symbol displays “Map Data”, and the dialog it opens now contains a section called “Map Features”, where I can select individual features (apparently to be displayed in non-edit mode). (I wrote “strange behavior” above because I can’t repro this, since I now don’t see that “Map Data” check box anymore.)
  • I wholeheartedly agree with your remark about continuous iteration & refinement, but am not sure which of my points it addresses. (As far as I understand, both the underground parking and the little parking area have been mapped correctly. What I described is not a mapping issue.) I think I understand the difference between mapping issues and editor issues now; in fact, I intentionally left out nearby features which oddly weren’t tagged before I did so, such as the police station, so as to keep the focus on editor issues.
  • I understand there are geometrical consideration for placement in heavily mapped areas. But I wouldn’t accept that as an excuse for displaying a tiny parking area more prominently than the biggest underground parking in town. (In the screenshot here, I selected the underground parking so as to be highlighted, but normally the two parking features are displayed with the same size balloon.) And finding a location for the underground parking name shouldn’t be a problem of academic gravity, even less so if one leaves out the name for the tiny parking area. comparison of the parking tags discussed, with the underground parking selected so as to be highlighted
  • Since you remark on the history of naming choices for bus stops, the one named “Kreisel” is interesting historically, too: Back when the big roundabout was built, it was one of the first in Germany and even got featured on post cards. (That’s probably why it’s just “Der Kreisel” – THE roundabout). Now it has become the cause of so many problems that I doubt people would name a bus stop after it anymore.

Kind regards, Sebastian

First day

Thank you for your informative reply. I now understand how this came about, and I commend you for writing this in the QA page. Duplicating this information in the Good practice page, IMHO, doesn’t promise to be particularly helpful, though. Instead, it may be more helpful to merge these pages…

Wait a minute – I just noticed that there’s a third such page: Editing Standards and Conventions. 😲 So we have three different articles for topics which appear pretty much the same to a beginner! A three-way merge may be a lot of work, and may result in a page that would be too long. If those three topics are different enough to an advanced mapper to deserve individual articles, then it may be best to optimize one for beginners and point to the others from there, with some short text that helps the beginner select the next topic to read up to before they can map with confidence.

First day

Thank you for your explanation and the link. The change you link to, as well as the duplication you discuss, was not brought about by an “editor warning”, but by a wish of a fellow mapper, expressed in a note.

Rest assured that I didn’t act in any way that could justly be termed “blindly”: Not only did I see the duplication, I pinpointed it both in the edit summary as well as here, so as to make it visible to good mappers like yourself. In addition, I studied the wiki and specifically asked about this duplication on the appropriate talk page.

You write “These […] should not be accepted if you don’t know what the change means”. Is that an official rule on OSM? I don’t see that in the good practice recommendations. Would you have a link to that rule?

Re: “editors are not always using the newest tag”: That sounds like a problem of the editors. Instead of trying to change all fellow mappers’ reasonable behavior for all their work with tags, wouldn’t it be much more productive to submit specific feedback to the appropriate editor’s github to get those issues fixed?

First day

Thank you for reading my diary entry and for your advice. I’ve become a bit rusty on github, but it’s a good suggestion to provide my feedback there. I will probably do so next week.

Yes, I wasn’t aware of the undo button – that’s a big help! My suggestion would be to

  1. (simply:) bend the arrow more, as is the case in other apps. (The arrow MS Office uses e.g. makes a U-turn and occupies approximately a circular area; I’ve also seen 270° turns.) and
  2. (more involved:) Provide something like a tutorial
  3. (Compromise:) For the first entry, have some message point to the undo button.

But yeah, you’re right, this comment isn’t the best place for that, I’ll probably have to provide that on github, too.

Yes, I did respond to – or more exactly: resolved – some notes. But I don’t understand what you mean by “blindly accept”. That isn’t how I operate. Can you please be more specific? Would it help if I gave you a list of the notes I resolved?

Kind regards
Sebastian