At the weekend, I got on my bike, and cycled from London to Oxford. Take a look at a map, and there's a road that starts in London, and goes to Oxford. It's the A40.
Since the M40 was built, much of the A40, certainly from Denham Roundabout to Wheatley has most of it's former traffic on the motorway. This makes it an excellent route for keen long-distance road cyclists.
However, from the Marylebone Flyover to White City, that stretch used to be the A40(M), an urban motorway. Nowadays, it's just the A40, not a motorway any more. Being an intrepid cyclist, I set out to see if it could be cycled along. Technically, and legally, the answer is yes. There are no signs along there saying you can't cycle (or walk, or ride a horse) along the elevated sections.
However, the Marylebone flyover doesn't have a hard-shoulder, nor does the White city flyover. Technically, even cyclists shouldn't be cycling on the hard shoulder, but I doubt that police would stop a cyclist for that.
The speed limit along much of the Westway is currently 40mph, which doesn't make it any worse than cycling along the North Circular Road.
The only other cycle-hostile parts of the route were from Uxbridge roundabout to Denham Roundabout. Though technically legal to cycle the A40 there, there's a sign saying 'Unsuitable for cyclists'. Quite true. Fast moving traffic, a 70mph speed limit, and no hard shoulder.
This leads me to ponder if cycle route planners might want to have a tag for roads that, while technically legal, are termed hostile, and not recommended for novice cyclists eg. bicycle=hostile, or whether this could be implied by the speed limit and other factors?
I've just removed bicycle=no from the Westway, because it was untrue from a technical and legal standpoint. Suggestions welcome from anyone involved in cycle routing using OSM data.
Diskuse
Komentář od Chaos99 z 30. 01. 2012 v 13:54
Technically, the speed limit, the surface, the road width and state of the shoulder are all present in the database (or at least they can be mapped).
If this is unsuitable or unwanted can only be judged by the user and should be an option at the cycle router.
I personally would say anything with asphalt on it is unsuitable for my bike. I also don't really like going uphill (because I'm lazy). My girlfriend does like smooth road surfaces, but doesn't like to use any road where motor traffic is allowed. My co-worker prefers really smooth, flat surfaces and doesn't want to slow down for 30km/h zones.
Cycling is so diverse, you can't possible press that into an bicycle=unsuitable tag. Just map the physical and legal conditions out there and leave the rest to to be implemented by the route planners.
my two cents,
Chaos
Komentář od Andy Allan z 30. 01. 2012 v 15:00
I'm with Chaos on this one.
Komentář od CycleStreets z 30. 01. 2012 v 21:25
I'm one of the two guys that created CycleStreets: http://www.cyclestreets.net/
I'm strongly with @Chaos99 and @AndyAllan on this one. What's most important is that you add as much objective information about the situation as possible.
For instance, numbers of lanes, the speed limit, surface type, and whether there is a cycle lane. (And is the width of multiple lanes possible in OSM yet?)
In coming months the engine will be supporting these kinds of attributes. A 70mph road in a dense area with multiple lanes and no cycle infrastructure should be a good indication that it's generally not very nice for cycling.
Martin
Komentář od chriscf z 30. 01. 2012 v 23:16
Reverted. Cyclists and pedestrians are still prohibited on the Westway, motorway status or not.
Komentář od z-dude z 31. 01. 2012 v 03:38
Here's a Bikeradar debate on this as well. http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14559058
There is a no cycling-horse-pedestrian sign on there somewhere.
Komentář od Welshie z 31. 01. 2012 v 10:51
@chriscf. Certainly no signs on the westbound entrances to the A40 Westway. I've checked the Marylebone flyover and Ranelagh Bridge entry. Ranelagh Bridge actually has signs saying no buses or HGV, but nothing forbidding cyclists or pedestrians. The only 'no cycling' signs near the Marylebone flyover are relating to the subway.
Komentář od chillly z 31. 01. 2012 v 16:12
Just how would you prevent cyclists and pedestrians using the UK public highway (motorways are a specific exception)? What law would you invoke?
Komentář od chriscf z 31. 01. 2012 v 16:25
There were definitely signs in the eastbound direction last time I was there, both on the mainline and on the slips from Wood Lane. Perhaps somebody forgot to replace the old NO signs at the other end?
Komentář od chriscf z 31. 01. 2012 v 16:43
chillly: "Cyclists and pedestrians" is misleading. Pedestrians enjoy special privileges, cyclists merely think they do. The law you would invoke used to be the Road Traffic Act 1984, which allows local authorities to place such restrictions through traffic roders. The equivalent power for trunk roads in London is held by Transport for London, who will undoubtedly have a copy of the relevant orders for you.
Komentář od Welshie z 31. 01. 2012 v 16:57
And of course, there's no point in a local authority or other transport authority prohibiting certain traffic on paper only.
They have to make the restriction known according to legally prescribed signage. No signage showing prohibited traffic, therefore no prohibition. They cannot expect all road users to ferret around traffic orders in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'beware of the leopard' just in case it mentions a traffic order affecting the road they might want to use. In this case, there are no such signs on the westbound direction. I agree, in the eastbound direction, there are signs.
In a similar fashion, controlled parking zone penalty notices have been quoshed when there hasn't been the correct signage on all possible entrances to the zone. In such cases, the default rules of the road with regard to parking apply.
Back to Openstreetmap, and we map features as they appear on the ground. Ground truth always wins.
Komentář od chriscf z 31. 01. 2012 v 17:10
The picture at http://pathetic.org.uk/former/a40m_westway/ is the sign on the Gloucester Terrace entrance. Is it still there?
Komentář od Welshie z 31. 01. 2012 v 17:56
Nope. Not there. At least not visible when travelling westbound along Gloucester Terrace onto Ranelagh Bridge.