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CC By-Sa alternate dataset always available on the OSM editable map?
ارسالی از cainmark در 13 مه 2011 به English.If there is to be an alternate dataset of CC-BY-SA of my OSM contributions would in.they show up on the OSM website, easily accessible or on OpenCycleMap or will all my work I provided under the easy to understand and cc-by-sa license just get completely scrubbed away never to be seen again?
The wiki talks a lot about a "planetfile" but I have absolutely no idea what that means. I just change things using potlatch.
I don't like the new license, I hate how it was implemented, but if it means that the blackmail is going to scrub my data if I don't agree, I will probably have to change my data to public domain to prevent hostile takeovers of it like when contributing to a startup to help it out who them sell it using the work you've done (seems to be a standard business model now [see:google] , which is why I quit helping web startups even if they're great-for now).
I don't want my work to disappear from the easily accessible and usable potlatch because of a bad, bad, bad license decision, but it looks like I have been forced into the corner of either having all my data disappear or to release it into the public domain. Which I am loathe to do, because one of the problem with the public domain license in the U.S. is so many companies are trying to take works out of the public domain and hold them hostage (the movie It's a Wonderful Life, the cartoon character Betty Boop, etc.) Which is why cc-by-sa is such a great license, to prevent those sorts of shenanigans.
So, bah, all my cc-by-sa work is now in the public domain to prevent it from being held hostage by the odbl and contributor terms. Which also means someone could take it, upload it to Google MapMaker and anyone else coming across that data would think it's copyrighted by Google because there is no cc-by-sa license to prevent that from happening. All in all a bad deal for OSM, but okay for any other bicyclists who want to use my data on the OpenCycleMap.
This is just too much like how "open-source" warped the concept of "free software", IMHO.
I've stayed up too late, I'm tired and am not interested in any responses, so save your replies. Just needed to vent and rant about this.
Discussion
نظر از JohnSmith در 13 مه 2011 ساعت 06:07
Curently FOSM.org mirrors all OSM data, and will continue to do so until the license changes. At which point things will end up forking.
نظر از Vincent de Phily در 13 مه 2011 ساعت 09:50
The "planet file" is essentially a backup of the data before CC-licensed data (or edits based on prior cc-licensed data) gets deleted from the main OSM project. It'll certainly be in the usual OSM format, available for anybody to pickup and use to create his own OSM website (as is already possible currently : both data and code have always been avaiable for any determined person to setup a full OSM stack).
But while it's "easy" to setup a mirror OSM website with the old data (you can be sure that some people will, at least out of historical interest), making further edits to it and forking the community would be both difficult (most people are happy with the odbl) and damaging (splitting the efforts instead of working together).
Nobody likes having to change the license, it's a painfull process. But it had to be done, simply because CC licenses are technically not adapted to a database of facts like OSM. CC has been created with artistic work in mind, and to a layer that's an important difference. The fact is that CC-BY-SA could not provide the expected protection in many countries, so another license was needed.
The ODBL may be new and painfull to read (like every license including CC-BY-SA), but its spirit is pretty much the same as the old license. I think that most people who haven't clicked "I agree" are just annoyed at the change (rightfully) and reacted out of spite and/or misunderstanding (wrongfully).
If you want your contributions to be PD, there's a checkbox to do that once you agree the ODBL, although I think it currently is just a statement of intent, not a legaly-binding declaration. If you actually dont like some effect of the ODBL (nevermind the wording), you can still click "I agree" and never contribute again. You'll have saved the bulk of OSM users the bother of having to re-do your contributions under the ODBL license. Wether you agree or not, all data before the cut-off date will remain available in the CC-BY-SA licensed "planet file". And some day, hopefully, you will realize that the ODBL is not such a big deal, and carry on contributing maps for the Greater Good.
نظر از Richard در 13 مه 2011 ساعت 10:59
Glad you're enjoying Potlatch. As one of the principal authors of Potlatch I'm desperately looking forward to the change to ODbL, as it will mean that my mapping work starts to be distributed under an equitable licence designed for data and those who want to build on it. If OSM stuck with CC-BY-SA I'd not feel at all motivated to continue developing Potlatch. (Potlatch itself, of course, is released under a much more liberal licence than either.)
نظر از Rovastar در 13 مه 2011 ساعت 12:07
Yet another poster that is not interested in OSM or it future who is trying to blackmail the community and cause problems for use all.
Let's just delete all their data on mass ASAP. These users are just disrupting the community for everyone else and are using this platform (user dairies, etc) to complain about the project. Why have these people still got access here?!?! They are trolls nothing more and I am sick of everyone being polite to them.
Hell I might just create a script myself that deletes all their data. That will save a lot of hassles.
نظر از chriscf در 13 مه 2011 ساعت 18:34
What was wrong with how it was implemented? Was it the years of open consultation? Was it the secret ballot open to anyone interested enough to be involved? Perhaps the long discussion about how to get the change done?