OpenStreetMap
For a while, many of the objectors to the licence change have been making nonsense claims that the process has been sudden (though it's been 4 years and counting), secretive (though the mailing lists are open and archived), and undemocratic (though if you don't register to vote, you have no standing to complain). However, one has finally been confirmed.
Some have been claiming that coercion has been in play. I didn't believe it at first, but I have recently discovered shocking evidence that it has been happening. This is a case of someone attempting to coerce the community, and threatening to hold your data hostage until they get your way - and they're attempting to do it through back-room dealings at OSMF! This is disgusting, and it should be utterly rejected.
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17 June 2011تے 00:15دے بارے Andy Street دی رائے
Err, if it is back-room dealing then why is it published in the minutes?
Also, the OSMF is asking something of contributors so why is it so bad that one of those contributors asks something of the OSMF in return?
17 June 2011تے 00:34دے بارے netman55 دی رائے
Don't think it's a very democratic process where you have to pay to vote! Considering OSM is a global project, with respect to contributors, the annual fee to OSMF is more than a month/year wage in some parts of the world
17 June 2011تے 02:25دے بارے chriscf دی رائے
@Andy: That doesn't change the notion that OSMF is a super-secret Bilderberg-esque elite cabal that some seem to persist in spreading. It has only appeared in the minutes as a result of whistle-blowing - the document was presented to a limited audience (i.e. not before everyone) and was presented after the meeting was closed, with the aim of getting a cut, which smells like back-room horse-trading to me. I don't think this is "asking something in return", it's a laundry list of demands. It's also a perfect demonstration of the sort of situation that the CT seek to prevent. If everyone turned up with a list of demands each time something came up for debate, we'd never get anything done.
@netman55: Last time I checked, the mailing lists, IRC channel, the forum and the wiki all carry no charge. Also, last time I checked, voting is neither necessary nor sufficient for democracy. I have seen democratic decisions taken without recourse to a vote, and I have seen votes that have been thoroughly undemocratic. The comparison to voter registration was general - if people haven't bothered to participate, they don't really have a leg to stand on. I have played very little if any part in the process. My main grievance is that everything is taking so long, but I accept that since I've had no part in the process of setting the timescales, I'll just have to live with it.
17 June 2011تے 05:35دے بارے Zverik دی رائے
netman55, in the real world you have to pay [taxes] to vote, so this is no different.
17 June 2011تے 13:12دے بارے netman55 دی رائے
In my part of the world you don't have to pay taxes to vote, for most of the population its a universal right.
>> @netman55: Last time I checked, the mailing lists, IRC channel, the forum and the wiki all carry no charge <<
But the vote didn't happen through those channels so is irrelevant, the vote was among OSMF members so you have to pay. Look here osm.wiki/Foundation , the paragraph on membership
18 June 2011تے 17:19دے بارے balrog-kun دی رائے
+1 on what Andy says.
The new CTs seek to solve a problem that wouldn't have existed without the CTs.
And are you really claiming it's coercion if someone asks something of OSMF but it's not coercion when OSMF asks something the "or else.." way?