I noticed there was a big blank area round there! Have fun mapping! Are you planning to map the Jungfrau Joch? :) I've spent a few weeks in the Wengen Area - it's lovely. The waterfalls up the valley from Lauterbrunnen are worth a visit IMHO. (the name escapes me right now, but it's the one that is down inside a cliff.)

It's great to see the footpaths and bridleways popping up on the map in this area :) I changed one of the paths you did from a footpath to a bridleway as I have spotted the bridelway sign on one end when driving past. I'm hoping to add more detail to Tilgate forest in the coming months, but currently waiting for a new PDA to come into stock as mine's playing up. :(

Bummer! :( If it was on a memory card, you may be able to recover it with an undelete utility, so long as you don't use the memory card too much afterwards. It should take a while to overwrite the file as memory cards use "wear levelling".

Sounds interesting. I'm on WM 2003 so can't test it, but am curious what the restrictions on the demo are here. Any idea of license/pricing yet? Will it be easy for people to update the stored map? Also, I may be getting a new phone soon, do you know if it runs on WM 6?

If the program could show your GPS position on the map, record GPS logs and labelled waypoints, and was freely available, it would be a great help to completing OSM coverage in the UK.

Yeah, i've had that "pleasure" of waiting for half an hour at Shrub Hill. At least the little shop in the station was open but it wasn't great!

I must get on and do route 20 down to Brighton. At least the trains back aren't too bad!

Curious indeed - the coastline error checker seems happy with the area: http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/coastlines.html?zoom=9&lat=55.02989&lon=-7.16446&layers=B00T

One other issue - the background is grey instead of white... do you know why this is?

Hey, the work you've done is looking great! It's always cool to hear of new people adding to OSM in other parts of the world. :) Keep it up :)

One thing I should mention is that as mentioned at osm.wiki/index.php/Editing_Standards_and_Conventions#Street_Names it is probably better to enter the full name for a street than to abbreviate it, hopefully in future the map renderes will automatically abbreviate names where needed.

As I said in response to netman55, I think tracing is analogous to stub articles in Wikipedia; they aren't a replacement for the real thing, but provide some useful information in the mean time. I think it also saves time when doing the GPS surveying too, if you know that the area is already traced.

Also, for a parallel, compare stub articles on wikipedia.

I have done quite a bit of Yahoo tracing in the past, and would say that it really isn't a shame if you can correct traced areas - it's great! Tracing is done with the full expectation that the data will be incomplete and contain mistakes as you can't see what's going on under trees and lots of the Yahoo images are taken when shadows are very long, which makes interpreting them accurately very difficult.

The reason people like myself and TimSC are still tracing is that we believe it's better to have mostly accurate data than no data, and that it will save time for people like yourself who survey the area properly if the barebones are there already, even if it means you delete and redo areas. It should be clear from the lack of road names that surveying is still needed.

when you say "eliminating private streets", what do you mean? Are you aware that you can tag access=private? It would be best to leave these in the map as people may still use them for navigation, or may even want to get to a private road. Routing software should be aware of the access tag.

That's strange, I really thought I'd already mapped Lake Toya - i did at least do some others in the area, maybe I missed that one. I just thought I'd mention that the tagging seems a bit strange... it renders ok in osmarender as it is, but I've taken the liberty of making it more standard, so it will work properly with all renderers and other applications that use the data. Please do ask if you aren't sure why i've done stuff, or just change it back :)

The islands in the middle of Lake Toya are just tagged it as landuse=forest (according to osm.wiki/index.php/Mapping/Features/Forest this is for managed forest, by the way, I prefer to use natural=wood for natural forests.)

Regards,

Dave

Hi,

Just wondering if you've tried NoniGPSplot? I don't know if it works in VGA I'm afraid, but I find it a good program for recording logs with labelled points.

Regards,

Dave

Sounds like an excellent start - will have a look at home where I have firefox. I think this kind of thing will produce some of the most useful OSM output.

I hope that you mean Yahoo aerial photographs, not Yahoo maps? Don't use maps - this undermines the whole point of Openstreemap. See osm.wiki/index.php/Legal_FAQ#Can_I_trace_data_from_Google_Maps.2FVirtual_Earth.2FOrdnance_Survey.2F....3F
We can use Yahoo aerial photos because of an agreement in place between OSM and Yahoo on the interpretation of their licence terms, so don't use other copyrighted aerial photos.

Don't worry about feeling that you aren't doing such a good job as you're just starting. Everyone has to start somewhere, and chances are you're doing better than you thought!

Dave

I hope that you mean Yahoo aerial photographs, not Yahoo maps? Don't use maps - this undermines the whole point of Openstreemap. See osm.wiki/index.php/Legal_FAQ#Can_I_trace_data_from_Google_Maps.2FVirtual_Earth.2FOrdnance_Survey.2F....3F
We can use Yahoo aerial photos because of an agreement in place between OSM and Yahoo on the interpretation of their licence terms, so don't use other copyrighted aerial photos.

Don't worry about feeling that you aren't doing such a good job as you're just starting. Everyone has to start somewhere, and chances are you're doing better than you though!

Dave

Interesting thought. For what it's worth, the low resolution Yahoo images are in fact Landsat images. So, we will still be able to access those. The high res areas could be more of an issue I think.

Talking of Yahoo and Landsat, does anyone else find that the Yahoo WMS in JOSM is slightly more accurate in terms of offset from GPS data than the Landsat WMS?

Can't you just have seperate areas of forest which have edges sharing the same nodes? I suppose this could cause problems where the renderer tries to smooth corners out though...

Aha! I was wondering why the Mapnik tiles weren't updating at the moment! Thanks for the info Tom.

Looks like you're making good progress with Bordeaux, Ceyquem. :)

aha, i'll have a look at the node history next time i spot something that's obviously been deliberately messed up then.