street name*

Firstly, I’m not sure what exactly involving a wider community will accomplish. Ultimately, I’ll be presenting the same facts to them that I’ve already shared with you. The outcome will likely come down to who can convince more people, which doesn’t necessarily guarantee the solution is the right one. This issue should be about objective accuracy, not persuasion, and I believe the facts should lead the way, not the majority opinion.

Additionally, as I live in the area of the dispute, my understanding of the situation is more grounded in real experience. My opinion is backed by evidence and facts, which gives it a level of authenticity that an outsider, unfamiliar with the local context, may not fully grasp. While I do see value in external perspectives when they are based on the same factual information, the direct experience I have makes my position particularly relevant.

Finally, labeling me and the other as "part of the problem" without offering any real argument only shifts the focus away from solving the issue. I’m not here to claim superiority or insist on being “right.” My goal is simply to find a practical solution. Focusing on who is right or wrong won’t move us forward—it will only prolong the conflict.

>I suggested discussing opening in the forum, where everyone can see it.

If you mean by everyone the Iraqi community, then I'm here to tell you there is no such thing, there is no "everyone". If I can get you to understand this I'll die a happy man; the only person who can solve any dispute of any sort in iraq is the mods, they have to look at the facts presented and take a decision based on them and decidr who's right and who's wrong, anything other than that is a waste of time and energy, respectfully.

I know this defeats the purpose of OpenStreetMap by not involving the community, but till we have a real community, we only have this option.

I have explained this a million times before. Please do me a favor and read the last email on Ticket#2024070410000292. If you are still not convinced, then I believe nothing will convince you.

Hello Mohamed_Taha

I did not realise the mess I caused in osm.org/changeset/159144873
so I proceed to revert your changes, but I realised and fixed it here:
osm.org/changeset/159300267

I apologize for that, and thank you for improving the map of Iraq.

It's amazing how much of a liar and manipulator you are. You never fail to amaze me. If I were you, I'd seriously consider a career in acting—you'd fit right in.with allat nonsense.

If a part of a long running street is named a different way by the local people then so should be on OSM, we're looking to reflect the real world here not someone's fantasy of a perfect map.

The name is more famous than any other name, and the one used by the locals therefore it should be the primary, the wiki says it , then that's how ot should be, it's as simple as that.

it is a suburb, I live near it, your little wiki links don't stand against my local knowledge, as you don't have a single clue about anything in this area,

Al-Ubiadi is not a quarter, and it have neighborhoods inside it the ones I mentioned, and "حي السفير", "حي الحسين" and many more, and it is a larg area that have a distinct local name that everyone knows which makes it a suburb by the wiki definition, us local people know the area pretty well, unlike you , that pretends to know and gets their information from the internet

This is not for discussion, you will be reverted everytime you change it back to a neighborhood. unless a mod decides to step in and stop you from vandalizing everything you touch (which I doubt will happen) then we'll see.

Zzz

Trust me when I tell you, I will not let you or the person who sent you change or replace this node. There is nothing more to say, you can't defend what been said here:
osm.org/changeset/153348649

That user is a vandal, and by defending that user, you become a vandal too.

revert this changeset and you will be revereted right back. I will not allow any vandalism to be done on this node.

Please understand that Al-Zawra District name before it turned into an official district was "المعامل", "منطقة المعامل", "حي المعامل", "Al-Ma'amel", when it was voted to turn to a district back in 2018 it's official name became Al-Zwara District, commonly refered to by "Al-Zawra District (formerly Al-Ma’amel)", "قضاء الزوراء (منطقة المعامل سابقاً)".

for more info refer to:
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%82%D8%B6%D8%A7%D8%A1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A1

Here is the Prime Minister meeting with people from"قضاء الزوراء (منطقة المعامل سابقاً)":
https://pmo.iq/?article=2032

osm.org/changeset/153550605

It is not a duplicate node it is a different place with similar name, why are you trying to enforce changes when you clearly have zero local knowledge of this area?, I live here and Know this place very well (unlike you or your puppet accounts) as 90% of everything in this district were added by me.

local news report about this place "الحسينية المعامل":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-G9ZLJhmrs

there is even a marketplace with the same name as the place"سوق الحسينية":
osm.org/way/1224971628
Even on Google Maps:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Husseinieh+market/@33.4654233,44.5239217,317m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x155798459c12dc1b:0xc8550c916642729e!8m2!3d33.4656512!4d44.5244338!16s%2Fg%2F1hm2_q2_f?entry=ttu

osm.org/changeset/153550574

firstlly, you never responded to this discussion:
osm.org/changeset/153268529
is it because I called out your hypocrisy, or because I exposed your sock puppet accounts?

secondly, you have zero local knowledge of this area to to try to "correct ",, you didn't even know this district existed till I added it to the map here:
www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/143161777
your only source for this change is an account that is 99.99% another sock puppet account of yours ,that removed the real name of the area which is "الحسينية" and added this fake misleading node here:
www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/147522853

why is this a sock puppet account of yours?
1- has a throwaway IP addresse/email.
2- uses JOSM plugin to revert, which is too advanced for a "new user".
3- has made 3 changes all modifying things i added.

there is absolutely no area with that name in the district except the district itself, this changeset is reverted. and you"ll be reverted every time you re-add this node or remove the node with the real name of the area.

osm.org/changeset/153480487

It's impressive how you have so much to yap about on my slightest changes, but not say a word with users who use something like "fixes and corrections" for all their changesets:
osm.org/user/lukh%C9%91v/history#map=7/33.642/45.461
osm.org/user/saturn%20ginearr/history#map=7/33.358/44.791

or go as far as defending a vandal changeset:
osm.org/changeset/152826465#map=7/33.468/45.648
Two reasons, you either a hypocrite, or those accounts belong to you. both possible.

>>"We shall only used the official government classification system of the roads,"

As can be seen in this study:
https://www.iasj.net/iasj/article/184845
page no. 101 (5th page), which specify all classifications of Sader City main streets according the Mayoralty of Baghdad, primary roads were maped based on it, along with my local knowledge of the city.

>>"Were this research published or discussed?"
the research output is the proposal itself, again all Baghdad were mapped based on it, you have a problem with it, then all Baghdad need to be changed.

>>"you changed many many road classifications, just last 3 days you made this changeset and those other changesets 152559788, 152559016, 152558508, 152558069 etc.. You has tens or even hundreds of changesets when you changed road classifications"

First you claimed that "I changed almost all the secondary roads in Baghdad to primary,"
First of all, all roads I've changed to primary are in Sader City exept two. secondly, Here is the list of all roads I changed to primary, which some weren't even secondary:

1- شارع الداخل (tertiary to primary).
2-شارع ابن الهيثم (tertiary to primary).
3- شارع الجوادر (half already was primary, other half was secondary).
4- شارع زين القوس (secondary to primary).
5-شارع الشيباني (secondary to primary).
as I stated, you're exaggerating.

Hi
>>"keep in mind that those classifications are proposed and were never approved or voted on by OSM members or the community."

All streets of Baghdad governorate and some other cities were classified based on this proposal not just these streets, and for my knowledge the proposal was made after a good amount of research into geographical studies of streets of Iraq, no harm in using it till approval or a better alternative.

>>"You changed almost all the secondary roads in Baghdad to primary"

that's an exaggeration, I only changed 5 roads.

>>"I think we might need to reclassify those roads again."

ok, tell me which roads you think shouldn't be a primary road and we can look into it.

Hi
@Eman Ghareeb
I believe that lebeling a mistake as "vandalism" is an exaggeration and potentially harmful to the community. If we can agree on this, then there's no further discussion needed. I appreciate your efforts and encourage you to continue your great work.

@LockOnGuy
Alright, buddy.

Regards.

Vandalism?, excuse me?. what I did is map based on the most recent imagery that's available, I saw no road so i removed it, I don't have the fancy "Maxar SecureWatch Imagery" that you got, so I work on what's available, please don't say such big words without looking well into it.
Regards.

Most people refer to this part as Alekiara Street, so for a better real-life representation of the map, I believe it should stay that way.
Regards.

refer to discussion:
osm.org/changeset/152435066