OpenStreetMap
Goodbye and Thanks for all the Fish
Апублікавана карыстальнікам drlizau 12 Красавік 2011 на мове English'Fish and Visitors all smell after three days'
It looks like the end of the OSM path for me.
I retain copyright over all my work and will merely check back to ensure that anything I have contributed is not included in any ODbL licensed map.
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Каментар ад Rovastar у 12 Красавік 2011 у 23:21
I have never entered the OBDL debate so could you summarise why you don't want to do that.
Also If someone edits your data then I presume it is then becomes *their* work. That is the way it seem to me when I edit others ways (tweaking the road layout, etc). Is that the case? and what are you going to do with that.
Каментар ад JoshD у 13 Красавік 2011 у 02:04
Things are still somewhat unclear, but it appears that all edits after a non-odbl edit will be deleted. So if one user who doesn't accept the new terms created a ton of objects, then hundreds of others further edit and refine the data, it will all be erased, as it considered "tainted". This is on the wiki somewhere, but I can't find it right now.
Каментар ад Rovastar у 13 Красавік 2011 у 05:18
So after a year or so of planning this the situation is unclear. Great, way to go OSM. So really I should be deleting all ways I see and recreating them. I often edit existing ones.
So half or so of all objects in the database will be deleted? Great......
Каментар ад HannesHH у 13 Красавік 2011 у 06:49
Good bye and live a happy closed-minded live. :-(
Каментар ад Zverik у 13 Красавік 2011 у 06:55
We will weep for your edits, for they cannot ever be replaced.
Каментар ад Roman Fischer у 13 Красавік 2011 у 07:57
This statement makes me very sad.
I cannot imagine how one can get so frustrated over a mere license debate...
-Roman
Каментар ад Sanderd17 у 13 Красавік 2011 у 10:38
If they are going to delete all non-ODBL data, I am sure that there will be a fork of OSM.
Off coarse it's not optimal, a fork is never good, but that way we will see what users think is the best. And if OSM can survive as is, this or its fork will also survive.
For the record: I have agreed to the new terms (I don't really care about the license) but I don't know if it's a goog idea to switch.
Каментар ад wieland у 13 Красавік 2011 у 16:27
Why do you want to come back to check "that anything you have contributed is not included in any ODbL licensed map"?
Why don't you start now and remove all your edits and all objects that you have created? But please don't remove other objects.
Shall I help you? E.g. removing osm.org/browse/way/61458863 which has only one version by you?
Каментар ад Sanderd17 у 13 Красавік 2011 у 17:29
@wieland: removing things will not help, it will make the work harder for a possible fork.
This just popped in my mind: if the license is that important, why not allow different licenses in the database? If an OSM'er only agrees to CC-BY-SA or to ODBL, he can only edit a node/way/relation that already has those license, if he agrees to both, a new way is licensed under both licences until another user edits it (then it becomes the license that user has agreed to).
A user of the data could choose:
* only use CC-BY-SA data and comply to that license
* only use ODBL data and comply to that license
* use all OSM data and comply to both licenses
From a technical point of view, this causes some overhead (but all the ODBL tests they do now also cause overhead) and I think it is possible from a legal point of view.
Каментар ад wieland у 13 Красавік 2011 у 17:53
@Sanderd17: but this will result in a war to get as many objects as possible under somebodys favorite licence. I think it is not worth the extra work.
And for a fork it is not so difficult to get all objects deleted by drlizau after some date. Just look at http://planet.openstreetmap.org/changesets-110406.osm.bz2 it's just 278M compressed osm-data. In this case I should not help him :-)
Каментар ад netman55 у 13 Красавік 2011 у 23:27
I have to agree with drlizau. This whole issue is a complete mess, communication about the new regime has been jumbled, disjointed and scattered all over place with out of date info and broken links. According to some minutes buried somewhere all non-odbl edits were to stop at the end of March, but this was not made clear at all and never happened which goes to show what a complete un-transparent shambles this licence/terms of use change really is
Каментар ад ToeBee у 14 Красавік 2011 у 05:12
I won't disagree with those saying the license change process seems messy. But like Sanderd17, I just don't care enough about licenses to say no. I like the concept of share-alike and I think attribution is more than fair to ask for from consumers of our data but honestly, I think I would continue contributing if we were going public domain too. All the debate about licensing, copyright assignment, etc makes me go "meh"
Каментар ад chriscf у 14 Красавік 2011 у 21:17
Bye Liz. Mind the door as you leave.
What do you know, the sky didn't fall down after all ...
Каментар ад richie0815 у 18 Красавік 2011 у 08:41
I don´t understand the whole license issue...
Didn´t we all start with osm to contribute data with no limitations to the community?
Why now claim contributed data as "personal", retain copyrights and the deletion of data?
Каментар ад netman55 у 18 Красавік 2011 у 15:57
From my viewpoint, having to agree to grant worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable licence to my data, which I don't mind sharing with the community, to a limited company is a big NO-NO
Каментар ад Vclaw у 19 Красавік 2011 у 12:56
Goodbye.
Though if you are leaving OSM, why are you still trolling the mailing lists?