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169073423 9 days ago

I have added details for this trail and others in the Sootip Peak region in changeset 169134453.

osm.org/changeset/169134453

169070604 10 days ago

Would you be able to provide a list of the legal public mtb trails that are missing?

169083272 10 days ago

A number of applications use portions of the metadata in the their render of the trail. AllTrails, Gaia, and OnX are apart of the OpenStreetMap Trails Working Group and use the developed guidelines in rendering of trails.

Particularly for Gaia they render unsanctioned status and IMBA rating.

169072389 10 days ago

You're welcome to create a discussion topic on the OpenStreetMap Community Forum regarding trails to get community feedback. You're also welcome to propose a new policy and tag that would introduce the ability to hide trails.

https://community.openstreetmap.org

osm.wiki/Proposal_process

Rationale for OpenStreetMap's policy regarding trails has been provided to you several times so it's not just "how it is". Additional explanations have also been provided in various changeset discussions with yourself and other mountain bike users over the past week.

osm.wiki/Why_can%27t_I_delete_this_trail%3F

You've had your say but you don't necessarily get to have your way. You need to reach out to the wider OpenStreetMap community and get consensus if you want to change something with regards to OpenStreetMap's policies.

169071040 10 days ago

Thank you for pointing this out. I've added metadata for the trail in changeset #169083272. I've added the name of the trail, difficulty ratings, marked the trail as unsanctioned, and added a description.

The trail looks to be within Whistler's Controlled Recreation Area and therefore may have a legal access restriction. I am not up to date on the legal restrictions of the CRA and therefore did not add a legal access restriction.

osm.org/changeset/169083272

169044656 10 days ago

See duplicate discussion on this changeset.

osm.org/changeset/169034750

169071631 10 days ago

This changeset has been fully reverted as it has been identified as vandalism.

osm.org/changeset/169072389

169071398 10 days ago

This changeset has been fully reverted as it has been identified as vandalism. Continued vandalism will result in an account block.

osm.org/changeset/169071560

169070895 10 days ago

Reverted

osm.org/changeset/169071389

169070604 10 days ago

This changeset has been fully reverted as it has been identified as vandalism. Continued vandalism will result in an account block.

osm.org/changeset/169071040

169070559 10 days ago

This changeset has been fully reverted as it has been identified as vandalism. Continued vandalism will result in an account block.

osm.org/changeset/169071040

169070520 10 days ago

This changeset has been fully reverted as it has been identified as vandalism. Continued vandalism will result in an account block.

osm.org/changeset/169071040

169070301 10 days ago

This changeset has been fully reverted as it has been identified as vandalism. Continued vandalism will result in an account block.

osm.org/changeset/169071040

169070259 10 days ago

This changeset has been fully reverted as it has been identified as vandalism. Continued vandalism will result in an account block.

osm.org/changeset/169071040

169070234 10 days ago

This changeset has been fully reverted as it has been identified as vandalism. Continued vandalism will result in an account block.

osm.org/changeset/169071040

169034750 10 days ago

The reality is is that you're not the first person to want stuff removed from OpenStreetMap. Requests come in to remove all sorts of stuff including laughable requests to remove official sanctioned trails because they're "too busy", official emergency cabins because "it might get used incorrectly", and even innocuous things like boat launches because "it's meant for locals". This is why OpenStreetMap has a policy and has even gotten so frustrated with repeating why it exists that someone has created a wiki page to provide the rationale for it. You're more than welcome to post your opinion on the OpenStreetMap Community Forum to get a better understanding of why the policy exists.

OpenStreetMap has the Trails Working Group whom works with park agencies, land owners, app developers, trail associations, and others to further develop the tagging schema to handle the issues you mentioned.

- Land ownership is handled through marking trails with their legal access.
- Conservation related to sensitive trails is handled through marking trails as sanctioned/unsanctioned.
- Difficult trails is handled through marking trails with the Swiss Alpine Club rating and/or IMBA rating.

You might not know this but most of TrailForks tagging schema is based on OpenStreetMap's.

Speaking of TrailForks, TrailForks is owned by Outside Inc a venture capital and private equity behemoth that wants complete control over outdoor information. The only thing preventing companies like Outside from locking features behind paywalls and jacking up fees is the free opensource database provided by OpenStreetMap. TrailForks allows trails and other features to be hidden for no rhyme or reason. There is no policies. In some locations the government now has administrative access to TrailForks or has significance influence on the trail association and therefore controls what is shown on TrailForks. It’s only a matter of time before TrailForks only shows what is approved by the government. OpenStreetMap balances this control.

The easiest solution is for you and others you know that disagree with OpenStreetMap's policy is to boycott products that use OpenStreetMap. Close your eyes, walk away from the computer, and switch to back to NTS topo maps.

Continued vandalism will not be tolerated.

169069549 10 days ago

This changeset has been fully reverted as it has been identified as vandalism. Continued vandalism will result in an account block.

osm.org/changeset/169069737

169069510 10 days ago

This changeset has been fully reverted as it has been identified as vandalism. Continued vandalism will result in an account block.

osm.org/changeset/169069737

169034750 11 days ago

You're welcome to provide your stance and suggest policy & tagging changes in the OpenStreetMap Community Forum.

https://community.openstreetmap.org

169034750 11 days ago

You're welcome to submit a dispute to the Data Working Group. - data@openstreetmap.org

Alternatively, you can add metadata to the trails such as the IMBA rating and Swiss Alpine Club grading to provide more context into the difficulty of the trails.