Is the root problem: “Real men do not read manuals ?” :-)

I see the same problem here with cafe and pub. In French and Dutch a pub is called a Café/Cafe. So people tag them as amenity=cafe instead of amenity=pub.

What can we do ? Have the editors ask for confirmation when they see you are editing in Russian (language) and want to add a hangar/warehouse ? Something like

“I see you are about to add a building of type hangar. This is meant for buildings were one build aircrafts. In case you want to map ‘ангар’ I suggest to replace it with building=warehouse, …”

and 2 buttons: “replace” & “leave as is”.

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Would this type of assistance help ? or would it be better to force people to use presets and not be able to type in tags on their own ?

Right now, you have to review and educate, as the tools cannot help you.

(Sorry for the English) You can configure the tags that are added by the building tools plugin. See osm.wiki/JOSM/Plugins/BuildingsTools

We had a very mixed audience, people from the geography department, old students, students and people from other departments, someone from OSGeo Belgium and a good number of people that got interested through the news items. There was also a couple that returned after their first Mapathon in January. People showed throughout the day, as late as 5pm. So I was happy I used iD. I did give some introduction to JOSM just after lunch

Thanks Joost for those numbers. Amazing !

As soon as I have to map 2 or 3 of those clinics (диспансер), I would make a (JOSM-)preset. I’m too lazy to remember/type the first 7 tags above. And the also makes it easy for newbies (and experienced mappers that are newbies in the healthcare tagging) to use the proper tagging.

There is a discussion going on on the talk-us mailing list as well. Frederik Ramm asked a similar question as you.

Just in case you didn’t know yet, OsmAnd can display the road surface.

I don’t know which map style you loaded on your Nuvi, but it should be possible to develop a road-style for it that suits your situation better, e.g. by supporting the surface tags. After all, OpenFietsMap already does this for bicycle roads.

On my mac, I made a smart folder which contains the search result of all Track_*.gpx files. That’s needed because I keep them in subfolders per year and per day. I just opened all files from that smart folder in JOSM. I just checked and I have 1005 tracks. JOSM takes a bit to open them all on my machine, but not more than a few minutes.

Thanks for the suggestion mmd, I’ll give it a try

Please note that the project is called OpenStreetMap, not Open Map. Success with your course

You could also add amenity=charging_station for people using an electrical bike. They are becoming more and more popular in Belgium.

With umap, you can add your own “layers” with data that does not have to be part of the OpenStreetMap database. You could e.g. add a layer with your customers (when you are a business).

Since the data is not part of the OpenStreetMap (OSM) database, you can use any tags/format you like. Of course, the drawback is that other people will not be able to use your data, they can only look at your “umap”.

When you add data to OSM, you need to follow certain rules, one of them is that you need to classify the things you want to add, e.g. by adding the shop or craft tag. (which is also mentioned by SK53).

I don’t like a tagging scheme with only phone and description tags. I would try to fit them into a scheme with a shop or craft tag. Maybe even man_made=works, product=xxx

Another solution is making a umap (http://umap.openstreetmap.fr) and then you have to freedom of mapping the businesses as you want.

Does Github support “multiple threads” ? What I mean is it possible to make a reply appear immediately under the original comment, instead of at the bottom under all comments ? For the type of discussion you want to do, I think this is a requirement.

When I look at some of the discussion about carto-css, it find it difficult to see who is replying to who when a lot of people are commenting at the same time.

@ BuskManK, you wrote “I’m insisting, that both forums and mailing lists used for that purpose are making a dead end”

Do you mean that you think that forums and mailing lists should not be used ? Or do you mean that you want that they are no longer used ?

When it is a good tool for the goal, people will start using it. Otherwise they will keep using their preferred communication channel. I have seen too many people logging bugs for any of the tools related to OSM on fora or mailing lists that have nothing to do with the topic or where the developers do not read about the problems.

Since tagging issues can be solved in the local community, discussions will continue to take place there.

Just a thought:

Do we really need more structure in our tagging system ? As you indicated in your reply above some people have already problems to determine whether a swimming pool is a leisure or an amenity. Or they do not agree with the majority. What if we could just say “this thing is a swimming pool” by adding a tag (a real tag, not a key-value pair as we currently do) “swimming_pool” to an object. Let the data consumer decide whether it is an amenity, a leisure or a thing for tourists.

Another question Why do we need to define aquatic centre by a bunch of key-value pairs ? Why can’t we just label it as “aquatics centre” ? If you, as a data consumer want to put it in some category, feel free to do so. Why do I, as a mapper, already decide in which category it belongs ? or try to use a bunch of key-value pair to express what I can simply express with 2 words ?

Some people would like to see restaurant categorized as “shop”. Others not. Simply labeling it as “restaurant” solves this.

This would also allow to tag a “thing” as butcher and bakery.

I’ll admit that for word with two meanings or adjectives such as “primary” of “civic”, this does not work. It will also not work for names, refs, addresses, etc. But for the top level thing, it might help.

Structured tagging is fine for some people, not for others. Too much structure makes things complex. See dentist. “dentist” is very easy, “amenity=dentist” is a less easy (I have to decide between office, amenity, …) , and dentist tagging according to HealthCare 2.0 is complex.

If a word (or group of words) exists in a dictionary we should be able to use it as a tag. The documentation can then add the possible categories (amenity, leisure, …) to which the item belongs. Software can add those categories when needed. So Aquatics Centre would be a valid tag.

I haven’t thought about this for a very long time. There will probably be issues with this way of tagging as well.

Right now, some people use the tagging mailing list for this. Of course, this does not really allow tracking of the issue. OTOH, not everybody is familiar with the concept of “bug” tracking. Github is a software developer solution, I wonder whether this platform is attractive for non-developers.

Adding a issue tracking system for tagging problems seems a good idea. But, as usual, there will still be other places (local mailing lists, fora) that will be used for the same purpose. And the outcome (solution) for a tagging problem might be different in different places.

Did you read all mails on the tagging mailing list that were written before leisure=aquatics_centre was proposed ? [1] And the mails after that [2] ? There was quite some research before the proposal was written.

[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2016-January/027949.html [2 ]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-December/027824.html

Hats off to you Maning. Amazing work

BTW, if you are looking for help, http://help.openstreetmap.org is a better place to get it