You should rename to “Map God” because you seem to be infallible. I havent met a lot of Gods like you - but thanks for reminding me.

Ich fände das sinnvoll in eine Android App zu gießen - D.h. ich kriege Objekte in der Nachbarschaft angezeigt (Radius konfigurierbar) die lange nicht überprüft wurden und kann dann deren existenz oder lage validieren. D.h. mit 2-3 klicks einfach nur “Ja existiert noch” was zu einem changeset mit einem lastcheck führt oder einem “Nein - existist nicht mehr” oder “Hat sich in der Lage verändert” oder “Attribute haben sich geändert” die zu einem OSM Note führen.

Ich bin gerade dabei Recyclingcontainer zu überprüfen. Da hat sich bei uns viel getan. Nach der Einführung der Papiertonne durch die Gemeinde werden zunehmend Papiercontainer abgebaut wobei die Glascontainer stehen bleiben. Dazu ist die Telekom gerade beim VDSL/Glasfaserausbau wodurch jede menge neue “street_cabinets” entstehen.

Aber mir fallen noch andere punktförmige Gebilde ein:

• Straßenlaternen
• Briefkästen
• Hydranten
• Telefonzellen
• traffic_calming
• barriers
• Recyclingcontainer
• street_cabinets / MFG/VDSL Kisten der Telekom

Danach sind natürlich auch andere Objekte bzw Attribute Spannend. Wie z.b. Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkungen.

Flo

I love the z10 z11 residential road change. I’d like to keep them in z12 for the moment. Residentials often make one get an impression on residential areas and population density. That would get lost. In z10/z11 you cant distinguish between roads so thats a plus to remove them.

Ich zerschneide so zeugs auch gerne wenn das im ALK z.b. ersichtlich ist das es unterschiedliche Flurstücke sind etc - Ob das physisch ein Gebäude ist ist mir in dem moment egal. Ich finde das wie es da ist erstmal nicht schlimm. Funktioniert ja.

Hi Simon, Nakaner,

according to some dataset i have here there should be something like 19.6-20MIo Adresses in Germany. I have 20.6 Mio but i know there are approx. 5% faulty/non existant addresses in there. I occasionally do regional compares against that Dataset.

http://f.zz.de/posts/201503291129.osm_fehlende_adressen_buckeburg_und_stadthagen/

So i guess we are at 2/5th of the Adresses done in Germany. That number sounds high but most of them are in very dense Urban Areas. The rural Germany is not that well covered.

My guess is that Citys like Hamburg, Berlin, Munich e.g. Citys above 3-400K residents are mostly done.

I have a simple rule. If there is any regular non agricultural traffic e.g. there is a residential building on that road then it CANT be a track. The traffic to and from residential buildings outweight the agricultural usage by an order of magnitude. You’ll have the Waste Lorries, Postman etc coming through that road.

If there is no such use and no public is allowed to use that road except for agricultural use then its a track.

In parts wie schould tag stuff that is not as it clearly shows somebody did a survey and its not unknown. With a pure “yes” you cant differentiate “unknown” from “no”.

For example lit=yes - A lit=no is useful. It shows somebody did a survey.

I dont really see the point. The problem with “entrance=*” or “building=entrance” is that there is no use case. If there would be user you would have a feedback loop for people to change their tagging. No user of your data -> broken data.

This is why i am against tagging every little small detail to obscure tags. As long as there is no use case there wont be any maintenance. This is for example true for number of parking lots on an amenity=parking or stuff.

Flo

Das ist keine Firma sondern das Landesvermessungsamt NRW. D.h. die Daten die du da siehst sind mit unser aller Steuergeldern erstellt und zusammengetragen worden. Es ist also eigentlich eine Selbstverständlichkeit das diese Daten dann auch den Bürgern zur verfügung gestellt werden.

Das das erst so spät passiert ist hat was damit zu tun das OSM jetzt auch ernster genommen wird. Und besser jetzt als gar nicht.

Doof finde ich noch das wir jetzt nur noch die DOP40 bekommen (Also 40cm Bodenauflösung). Es existieren deutlich bessere Daten beim Landesvermessungsamt und die waren auch über Jahre auf dem NRW DOP Viewer zu sehen. Leider sind die jetzt dort auch verschwunden.

I’d propose to look at the OSM Inspector Adresslayer processing. Its a libosmium based c++ tool which AMAZINGLY fast crunches through an osm.pbf file and generates an sqlite/spatialite output file with a lot of information - geometries, streets, housenumbers, point on next street (if there is no streetname etc). Probably not enough for the address lists but that should be easily doable.

Everybody could use an OSM Extract of the region of interest to process and compare to the addresslist.

As with the Changeset comment function which i like a lot this must be a lot more improved to actually be able to review changes. We need

• A better Changeset viewer like this: http://nrenner.github.io/achavi/
• A better way to track changesets in a certain area I use an RSS feed by http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/scripts/rss.php?bbox= This must be integrated with OSM itself and be usable without an RSS feed e.g. people have 1-many watched areas in the user config and can have a look at changes of the e.g. last 30 days in that area.
• Telling people to COMMENT on their changeset. 80% of the changesets in my area have an empty or non descriptive changeset comment. So its useless to review as i have no clue what the intention of the mapper was.
• As the nomenclatur of OSM changesets is not the one of a VCS in software development as its not atomic, not self contained there is no way of peer review in the sense of e.g. github. So we need some way to get more people to comment on changes and by thus improving the quality of changes people make.

Its a long way to go but OSM has already come far.

As with the Changeset comment function which i like a lot this must be a lot more improved to actually be able to review changes. We need

• A better Changeset viewer like this: http://nrenner.github.io/achavi/
• A better way to track changesets in a certain area I use an RSS feed by http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/scripts/rss.php?bbox= This must be integrated with OSM itself and be usable without an RSS feed e.g. people have 1-many watched areas in the user config and can have a look at changes of the e.g. last 30 days in that area.
• Telling people to COMMENT on their changeset. 80% of the changesets in my area have an empty or non descriptive changeset comment. So its useless to review as i have no clue what the intention of the mapper was.
• As the nomenclatur of OSM changesets is not the one of a VCS in software development as its not atomic, not self contained there is no way of peer review in the sense of e.g. github. So we need some way to get more people to comment on changes and by thus improving the quality of changes people make.

Its a long way to go but OSM has already come far.

Alles andere ist auch Wunschdenken. Egal was in der DIN steht viele Menschen sind dran gewöhnt kein Lehrzeichen dazwischen zu machen. Und das vermutlich auch noch ein paar Jahrzehnte bis Jahrhunderte so bleiben. D.h. es wird beliebige Schreibweisen geben und damit muss die suche klarkommen.

Ich vermute das Nominatim da so seine schwierigkeiten haben wird. Für “Fuzzy” matches ist das dingen einfach nicht gebaut. Das funtioniert da ja schon nicht bei “-“ vs “ “ in den Straßennamen oder “ö” vs. “oe” - alles schwierig.

Flo

Leider ist der Housenumbervalidator nicht so populär wie der Adresslayer der Geofabrik. Ich habe die Geofabriker schonmal angeschrieben ob man das nicht integrieren könne. Hatte da auch noch mehr ideen für den Adresslayer um fehler zu finden.

Die Housenumbervalidatorfehler sind aber nicht fatal. Eine vernünftige applikation sollte damit umgehen können. Ich habe immer mal wieder 2-3 Bugs wo Gebäudeteile alle die Adresse Erben. Dann landet man vor dem Gebäude egal welche Adresse man aussucht. So what.

Bei keepright gibt es jede Menge Kategorien die ebenfalls irrelevant sind (in meinen Augen) z.b. wenn die URL auf einem objekt die Keywords nicht enthält. Etc. Nur etwa 10% der Kategorien würde ich als wirklich definitiv fixenswert im Sinne der Datenkonsistenz halten.

Schöner ist natürlich wenn das wirklich sauber ist. Aber nicht um jeden Preis. Leider führt hier der Übereifer so wie bei den Wochenaufgaben auch mal zu kontraproduktivem Verhalten von Mappern.

I’d vote for using the MapOSMatic stack for producing the FieldPaper PDFs. Lots of stuff has been solved and its easy to set up. Only the rectifying markers + QRCode needs to be put in there but then you’ll get a 99% Vector PDF which is smaller and scalable to any paper size you’ll decide to print on.

It’s so funny: I have been visiting the Netherlands very regularly and since 2009 i am also mapping where i was. From the AND import the landuse is completely broken. Overlapping landuses. Single trees als landuse=forest. footways as service roads etc. The AND Data should not have been imported in the first place. We had imports in Germany too for example the postcode areas. These were offered as osm.xml files so MAPPERS visually validated the data before it ended in the OSM Database. Its a little slower than an automated import but you gain people who identify with the data and fix it where knowingly broken.

Then in 2009/10/11 i added addresses in NL - Not a lot but what i could do in 2 weeks. Those addresses are all gone now after the Adress import. Not that i think that my contribution was better or more complete than the Addressimport - But think about the psychological point - By deleting user contributed data, replacing it with imports you tell mappers that their contribution is worthless. So you destroy your community you started to gain.

Automated Imports might bring you more complete data by the cost of destroying your community.

“OSM was built around the notion of mappers collecting or curating data and then adding it to our central repository, iteratively improving the quality and completeness over time.”

It hasnt been like this everywhere. This might be the altruistic vision of OSM.

Just look at the Netherlands. There were huge imports of AND Data in 2008 and later with Address data just lately. Still the quality is still poor. Mistakes have been made while importing and due to the visually complete data the NL community has failed to attract a lot of mappers. So IMHO NL is a negative example of imports and fast working.

Yes - there a lot of data consumers who want full datasets and they want it now - I’d be one of them. If we had full address data for Germany that would make my life a lot easier.

Still - I am very patient. I am very confident that one day OSM will have all the data i’d need, until then i am working every day to add stuff i need. Addresses, streets, footways etc.

Back when i started with OSM everyone said - “You’ll never complete the street network”. I responded - the more attractive OSM gets the more Work will be done. Its the same now. The more people/companys start using OSM the more data will get added, the more detailed the data will get, the more addresses will be surveyed or imported. There is nothing wrong with this. Its just the reason people contribute to OSM changes. In the early days it was a purely altruistic way of “i have mapped my neighbourhood”. Now its - “damn - that address is missing - hey OSM your dataset is broken”.

Still - OSM is the best Geo-Dataset in the world and it’ll stay that way. There cant be any economical competition when you calculate your man-hours with nil.

Be optimistic and patient.

Flo

I certainly disagree with this:

“do not: use notes as your own notepad while mapping, unless you expect someone else to fix it.”

As long as those notes are verbose enough for others to be useful to add or correct data its nothing wrong with using notes for missing/wrong informations in the map.

Verbosity is a key issue. Be shure to build enough context to be useful for others.

Completely missing is the context when closing a note. Closing a note without a message is a complete nogo. I am always tempted to reopen the note with no message when somebody closes the note with no message. When you fixed something - write it in the close message.

Flo

I stopped taking Mapillary images from inside the car. Reflections on the front windscreen make images of less quality. And on most car/mobile phone combinations you’ll have some bonnet on the lower part of the screen.

This is my solution with a little wood sawing and 2 screws:

Car Roofmount

Aber wie immer - Alles benutzen mit Hirn. Es gibt Hausnummern die in der ALK drinstehen aber nicht in Benutzung sind - Da haben sich offensichtlich Hausbesitzer mal 5-10 Hausnummern (Buchstaben) auf Vorrat zuteilen lassen. Dazu kommt das es Hausnummern gibt die nicht in der ALK Stehen. “Mein Sohn hat angebaut - Da kleben wir jetzt mal einfach die 10a dran”.

Ich habe teilweise 5% Abweichungen von anderen Datenbeständen.