Yesterday was the first meeting of the new OSMF board and i thought i’d write down some comments on it since it was noticeably different from previous meetings. With three of the previous board members having left, two of them having been on the board for a long time and one having been the chairperson for a long time it was obvious there were going to be changes and i want to share a few impressions of this from an outside perspective.
What has not changed is that many of the board members seemed remarkably unprepared. This is not necessarily a big deal, board members are volunteers and you cannot necessarily expect everyone to sit down for a few hours before the meeting preparing themselves for all subjects that might be discussed. But i as someone who just listens in and does zero preparation for that other than looking at the agenda five minutes before the start often find myself wondering when a matter comes up why no one is ready to discuss it. This especially applies to this first meeting after the election when the election of treasurer, secretary and chairperson are obviously on the agenda so you would assume that those who consider one of these positions to have made up their mind if they want it or not. Don’t get me wrong - i am generally a huge fan of just winging it - but you have to be able to do that if you want to.
The meeting started with everyone being unsure about who would chair the meeting since neither the former chairperson nor the former secretary were on the board any more. Ultimately Paul assumed the position of temporary chair since he had formerly been secretary. But it might be a good idea to make a note of the problem and add a rule for that to the board rules of order in the future.
The election of the officers was interesting. The first position to be selected was that of the treasurer and since ahead of the election the only one who had expressed willingness to do that was Guillaume the decision was clear. Next was the position of the chairperson. This would usually come first but it was quite reasonable to choose the treasurer first because it was a clearer case. The chairperson’s main task in everyday business is to chair the board meetings. Allan volunteered for that, was elected and took over the meeting then. The more interesting election came next for the secretary. Mikel volunteered for the position and Joost after some hesitation (he seemed to be unsure if he actually wanted to do that or not) volunteered as well. The vote was called and one by one all board members voted for Joost so ultimately Mikel gave in and made it unanimous by voting for Joost as well.
The rest of the meeting proceeded in a fairly efficient and streamlined fashion thanks to Allan’s style of chairing the meeting (i will comment on that in more detail later). Most of the votes were unanimous IIRC. I was somewhat annoyed - though not really surprised by two things:
- The decision on if to continue using Loomio was made with the stated intention to “re-evaluate at a later date” and although the idea to firmly plan to do that in half a year was mentioned it was not made part of the decision. This was probably at least to some part due to the board members still struggling with the procedural framework established by Allan.
- The discussion on the F2F meeting failed to give any consideration to minimizing costs and resource use for the meeting or discuss a clear commitment to measurable results. Also the idea to combine the F2F meeting of the board with a meeting with the OWG was introduced without any discussion of the goals of the latter or consideration for the need for thorough preparation. As said this was not unexpected considering the candidates’ statements before the elections but still it was sobering to see how little reflection there was given to the moral obligations resulting from spending other people’s money.
The most surprising part of the meeting came at the very end when Guillaume out of the blue (apparently without having talked with anyone else about this before) brought up the idea of creating a diversity working group within the OSMF. You could literally hear Mikel considering “Is this a trap?” when he gave a guardedly positive comment instead of the enthusiastic support you would have kind of expected. The thing is the whole idea of the board top down establishing a new working group is kind of problematic given the concept of working groups in general and this approach to creation would permanently hang over such a working group in the future. Tobias in his comment succinctly mentioned the two big issues with the idea:
- the problem of establishing a working group top down by the board instead of bottom up as an initiative from the membership.
- the problem that such a working group in particular when established this way would be - well - inherently non-diverse in it most likely attracting mostly proponents of the idea of diversity engineered from the top rather than diversity organically brought in from the bottom.
Independent of these issues with the idea itself i tink it would be kind of cheap of the board to try delegating the issue of the lack of diversity in the OSMF to a working group without first having a serious discussion about it among themselves and with the OSM community about what they can do themselves. In German we have the saying “Wenn man nicht mehr weiter weiß, dann gründet man einen Arbeitskreis” - which i think catches this point of critique quite well. We should not let the board get off the hook that easily and we especially should not let them use such a working group of self appointed experts on diversity from within a highly non-diverse organization as a convenient “Ersatzöffentlichkeit” sparing them the trouble to actually talk to the OSM community in its whole diversity about the diversity issues of the OSMF.
There is a lot the board could do to improve diversity in the OSMF, in particular by actively reducing the English language dominance throughout the organization. They should actually work on that IMO instead of recruiting an English language debate club most likely mainly talking about how to engineer a pseudo-diversity within the OSMF and propagate that down into the OSM community.
As already hinted Allan as the new chair of the meeting adopted a style very different from how Kate chaired the meetings. I kind of like it for its efficiency and clear structure, it requires preparation and attention from the board members to successfully contribute to decision making processes - which i think is a good thing. And it also kind of follows my recommendation of establishing a more parliament-like work culture. What is a bit problematic is that it is a very culture specific style making it a bit difficult for board members not very fluent in the English language or even people more familiar with British traditions (Rory made a point of that in the meeting) to engage in the procedures. This is not too much of a problem right now with the board members all being fairly good in English - they would just need to get familiar with the procedure - but it could become more of a problem with other board members joining in the future. As far as i understand the procedures Allan followed Dorothea linked to some references on that in the draft minutes, in a small board like that of the OSMF these procedures can be relaxed which might take the edge off a bit without loosing the positive structure and clear framework they provide.
One funny thing about the meeting was that there was kind of a running gag of Allan always missing Joost’s first articulation of his vote during votes. This was probably just a starting difficulty but it kind of provided good entertainment for everyone listening. There were other minor technical issues - like Rory having a sticking PTT key and Tobias being hard to understand (some tuning of the audio levels/microphone position would be advisable). Good audio adjustment can immensely help a smooth meeting and everyone being able to articulate their views equally.
Allan did not significantly participate in the discussions during the meeting and i hope this is not going to become the usual procedure since one of the reasons Allan was elected to the board was because he would be able to bring in a perspective that would be very useful and otherwise missing in the board.
So overall it was great to see how established structures within the board are kind of opened with three new board members. There is a lot of potential visible in increased productiveness and less aimless chatter during the meetings. One thing brought up by Guillaume was to have more frequent board meetings twice a month. Not sure if that is necessary and productive in the form of a formal board meeting like that but it might make sense to have alternating more formal meetings and more informal work sessions with more active involvements of the broader community. But if the board meetings turn out to be very full with topics and decisions in the next months it would surely be worth considering increasing their frequency. Would need to take into account time constraints of the board members, especially those for whom the meetings usually are during the day like Paul.
Diskuse
Komentář od Zkir z 24. 12. 2019 v 20:21
Thank you very much for such detailed report, here in Diaries. Finally we will know what is discussed by OSMF Board.
Komentář od imagico z 24. 12. 2019 v 22:41
Since i have not explicitly mentioned that in my comments - board meetings are routinely minuted on the OSMF wiki and are generally open to visitors listening in on Mumble.
Komentář od mikelmaron z 28. 12. 2019 v 19:13
I didn’t think it was a trap at all, but needed to take a second to think through if this was the right step. I really appreciate Guillaume picking up the initiative for us to consider this. The Board had already been discussing the diversity topic quite a bit on the Board mailing list, in chat, on OSM diaries, and social media. There’s a lot brewing in those discussions, and I hadn’t considered the idea of a working group right at that exact moment, so I paused. There’s been a lot of community momentum on diversity, making this not a top down effort at all, but the natural step for us to consider.
Komentář od imagico z 28. 12. 2019 v 19:57
That is more or less exactly the reaction i expected from you - and largely the core of what i had in mind when i wrote We should not let the board get off the hook that easily and recruiting an English language debate club most likely mainly talking about how to engineer a pseudo-diversity within the OSMF and propagate that down into the OSM community.
Could you point me to where the board has been discussing things on social media?
My own impression is that there is a lot of (in parts fairly intolerant and discriminating) theoretical contemplation in English language on how to reshape/re-educate the OSM community according to certain cultural preferences and values (i commented on some of that) and label that a pro-diversity measure but so far very little practical interest in actually addressing the core issues of the OSMF like the representation problem. Or as Manfred puts it: Glaubwürdig werden Forderungen nach Diversity aber nur, wenn die Fordernden den ihnen schon jetzt als Communitymitglieder und Foundation-Mitglieder zur Verfügung stehenden Spielraum nutzen und selbst das Projekt mitgestalten.
I am confident that most of the board members are aware that there are practical things of immediate importance that would actually substantially improve the proportional representation of the OSM community within the OSMF - like implementing the free membership for active community members in a way that does not favor English language speakers and that bootstrapping and endorsing an English language debate club is not one of them.
Komentář od mikelmaron z 28. 12. 2019 v 21:05
It doesn’t feel very good to be told by someone that you are reacting exactly how they expect.
There were many branches of discussion coming from this post on Twitter. All of the newly elected board members have jumped in somewhere https://mobile.twitter.com/HeatherLeson/status/1205892966428106757
Allan has also opened up another thread after the board meeting https://mobile.twitter.com/allan_mustard/status/1209879368400539649
I am not claiming that these twitter discussions represent anything like a comprehensive set of voices from OSM.
I fail to see how my words here or at any other point connect to what you write about ”engineering pseudo diversity” or an ”English language debate club”. I get the impression that here, and often in other discussions, you are reacting to a phantom version of myself and my views which have little to do with reality.
I do appreciate your point about linguistic and cultural diversity. It’s something I’ve paid close attention to throughout my work and efforts in OSM around the world, in myriad situations.
I do not presume the answers for how osmf should approach the issue of diversity and inclusion, but will focus on what is the right structure to move ahead.
Komentář od imagico z 28. 12. 2019 v 22:37
Not sure if Twitter presents a different reality to customers than to outsiders but i am pleased to see neither Guillaume nor Allan lowering themselves to this hateful mob.
That is a bit more civilized. Still a truly thoughtful conversation on a matter like this is not something you can really have on twitter.
I can see that and i don’t think there is much i can do about it. It is my sincere hope that i won’t get the opportunity to illustrate better what i mean with the quoted statements using an actual OSMF working group as example.
Komentář od mikelmaron z 28. 12. 2019 v 22:52
One thing we can agree, that first thread wasn’t a great discussion and Twitter makes it too easy to promote unhelpful outrage.
I would love a thoughtful and civilized conversation. I wish I saw that more on osm diaries and osmf-talk too.
Unfortunately I don’t get much opportunity for that with Christoph, where my actual thoughts are assumed, twisted, and ultimately disregarded. Maybe some day he’ll see the different between his phantom version of me and the reality.
Komentář od apm-wa z 6. 01. 2020 v 02:17
Christoph, the board has yet to decide whether to create a Diversity Working Group; the conversation with the membership is underway. Thank you for your contribution to that conversation. The Board may decide to go that route or it may not. Either way, diversity is clearly an issue, as is the English language barrier.
Twitter is not the only avenue for conducting such a conversation–you are correct–but it was the quickest way to get the conversation started. I am open to other modes of communication as stated in my candidate’s Q&A. My OSM e-mail is on the [OSM Board website[(https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Officers_%26_Board). I’m not hard to reach, and neither is any other board member. If you think I should start using my OSM diary to communicate with the membership, I’m open to that, too. What is your advice?
As for my use of parliamentary procedure, I’ve been doing that since my days in 4-H some 50 years ago. Parliamentary procedure, properly applied, allows all viewpoints to be heard, and averts coercion of decisions. In particular it allows minority viewpoints to be aired. That is my intent, and I trust you have no objection to that. Does it create an obstacle to non-English speakers? I think not, and beg to differ with you. It is a specific set of protocols, no more complex than the hypertext transfer protocol or simple mail transfer protocol. If you can code HTML, you can learn Robert’s Rules of Order and the proper way to say “I move…”, “I second the motion,” and “Point of order!” as quickly as you learned <p>….</p>. Anyone who has mastered Python or Java will find Robert’s Rules to be child’s play.
As for learning British (really, Ango-American) traditions like parliamentary procedure, well, in the past 45 years I have learned a fair number of Russian, Austrian, Turkish, Mexican, Indian, and Turkmen traditions, and with the exception of Russian vodka toasts, which I now decline, none of them bothered me too much. Some of them are quite endearing, in fact.
I’ll close with the comment that one of the criticisms I heard about past boards was that they were slow to act and to deal with issues. Now I am hearing from you that the board is moving too fast on an issue (diversity) even though it has merely started a conversation about something is clearly on the minds of a fair segment of the membership. There must be a happy medium somewhere, not too fast, not too slow, that will lead to a good result. I look to you to help us find that sweet spot.
Happy New Year to all.
apm
Komentář od imagico z 6. 01. 2020 v 21:56
Allan, thanks for the comment. Starting from the back - i have not criticized the board for moving too fast and as you correctly said i have in the past criticized the board for failing to move on important issues without a good reason so this would be kind of inconsequential. I have made critical comments on the idea of the board creating a diversity working group top down - in line with the comments made by Tobias in the board meeting which went in a similar direction.
As i have said repeatedly in the past (see for example here i would always welcome a fact based discussion and argument on matters of diversity. But that in my experience needs to start on a pretty fundamental level and only few people are willing/able to look beyond their narrow cultural horizon far enough to do that. We have had some contributions in that direction more recently (like from Frederik, Manfred and a few others) but also a lot of non-helpful noise in the form of self absorbed and intolerant rants.
My advise to the board on the matter of diversity (which is a fairly ill defined term of course) - focus on the OSMF and on improving proportional representation of the active OSM community in the OSMF. This is an extremely tough subject to get to substantial improvements with but there are plenty of potential practical measures that could help a lot in that regard and that the board would have an actual direct influence on - for example the free membership for active community members that is to be introduced now. The good thing is the new board has the best starting conditions for this - it features a larger linguistic diversity than any board of the past i think. And don’t shoot yourselves in the foot by - as said - founding an English language debate club for wannabe diversity engineers and community managers and leaders.
Regarding communication channels - i think a large variety and flexibility is good in that domain. Diaries are a good medium for fairly compact thoughts on things. Before the last board meeting there was also an attempt of using blog.openstreetmap.org to publish the diverse views of the different members on matters together which i - like others - found an interesting idea worth exploring further. The OSM wiki can also be a place for structured idea collection when used wisely. And as i mentioned in the past having a dedicated OSM issue tracker which can be used without selling your private data and attention to a third party corporation would be good.
My personal preferences for community communication channels are
The first two are fairly absolute for me - which is why i won’t use Slack for example.
And regarding the procedural rules of the board - i think i clearly said that i like the new procedure in many ways. But still i advise sensitivity and caution regarding a possible language and culture bias. Since all of the board members currently speak English quite well this might not be very visible but that does not necessarily mean it cannot be an issue. And since the board meetings are public public perception is - while it should not be a primary concern - something to take into account. The comparison to programming languages and communication protocols is problematic in two ways:
As said - i don’t think this is a reason not to use these procedural rules as a starting point but sensitivity to the potential need to adjust these to the circumstances of the project is probably a good idea. But overall i think i am pretty much with you on this matter, clear rules which are actually followed are a good thing - also as i have in the past criticized the board for not consequently sticking to the self given rules of order on several occasions.