OpenStreetMap
I was up in York today for purposes other than mapping but thought I'd check the cycle routes whilst there. Route 65 goes through York and was mapped but not a member of the relevant relation; I've added what I could but xapi wasn't working so it needs returning to later, ie. download ncn_ref=65 and then add everything to the relation. The same should possibly be done for all the ncn cycle routes.
Route 66 I'm still a little uncertain as to the exact route, I saw a link to route 66 whilst in York but not the route itself. Looking at where route 66 appears on the map it seems very messy, but hopefully it'll become clearer as more is added. Which reminds me, I still need to map the missing bits of route 66 around Bradford.
I wish we could just get the data from Sustrans to add in to OSM, it's difficult finding where sustrans routes go just by following signposts. The signposts often run out, meaning you have to go back to the copyrighted Sustrans maps to find out where you should be going, which presumably means I can't add the un-signposted sections of the routes to OSM.
Discussion
Comment from CiaránMooney on 17 March 2009 at 10:42
"presumably means I can't add the un-signposted sections of the routes to OSM"
A grey area for sure. However you are not copying the map. You are collecting raw data from the GPS trace. The data you collect is new and more thank likely very different to what their map says.
So in my opinion, don't worry, add all the data from the GPS trace of the route.
Ciarán
Comment from LivingWithDragons on 17 March 2009 at 10:47
Ciaran: To add the gpx trace is find (and tag it as road/cyclepath), but the trouble is tagging it as a sustran route. If there aren't signs then how do you know the route goes there?
To some extent we can join up the gaps (once we know where the route reappears), but I think sometimes OSMers might end up tagging the route the way we think it should go. Later Sustrans people may copy parts of OSM as they sign, and our route may become THE route. Wouldn't be too bad in some places.
I'm cycling route 65 from Middlesborough to York next week, so I'll hopefully get that whole empty section mapped. Might take me a while after to get it traced and tagged.
http://www.livingwithdragons.com/2009/02/cycling-home
Comment from kaerast on 17 March 2009 at 12:16
Added all tagged routes in the sixties to the relevant relations (except 67 which doesn't seem to have a relation). I wish people would do this themselves when editing routes.
Route 65 should now not be too hard to finish mapping between Middlesborough and York, presuming it's signposted ok. Which just leaves a stretch from Selby out towards Hull where Chilly has been mapping it.
Comment from kaerast on 17 March 2009 at 12:18
And if re-routing cycle routes was as easy as editing the OSM data then we could make them much nicer to ride.
Comment from CiaránMooney on 17 March 2009 at 14:44
Kaerast:
Ah! I see your point now! If sustran's is somehow linked to the local authority then the signs should be up if not report them on http://www.fixmystreet.com/ Then we can go back and re-survey them.
Ciarán