Thank you. I found out that self-hosting is not so straightforward, because I wanted to use old Thinker board and it looks that running Python in Docker on ARM is kind of ugh. I am still working on it.

The damn project is maintained, and I should release damn server 1.0.0 because indeed it is stable. However, there are no new features. But I do not think new features are needed.

And thank you for the support – currently the best way to support the damn project is to use it and provide feedback.

Thank you! I am working on the fifth year’s diary for the damn project and found out I didn’t even reply you. Sorry.

The freedom you are writing about may in consequence limit the freedom of the people using that code (and the code derivatives, like executables).

Therefore, I prefer this definition of freedom regarding the software.

And sure there is a parallel with Paradox of tolerance.

I have no doubts! OSM admins are awesome and are proving that day by day. I am just confused by ndrw6’s approach to their diaries (can read in RSS but not on web…)

Why just .? I read your diary in RSS reader and I support the proposal.

Well, not exactly. Free software is usually understood in the meaning of the freedom, not as free beer.

Let me elaborate on your pasta example: you have a community of pasta enthusiasts who try to discover the perfect pasta, making significant progress, but still missing the last ingredient. Then, any restaurant can take your’s community open-source recipe, put the last ingredient, kept that last ingredient secret, and start selling their pasta.

How is that possible? Well, open-source licenses do not care about the freedom of the restaurant customers, particularly about the freedom of knowing what is inside their favorite pasta.

Kdybyste chtěli použít “modifikovaný tasking manager”, můžu podle potřeb upravit https://damn-project.org/

Nejsem si ale jistý, jestli se TM úplně hodí pro sbírání dat – TM slouží pro zamykání konkrétní oblastí, aby na oblasti v krátkodobém horizontu nepracovalo více lidí najednou.

(Vytvoření více oblastí na základě seznamu bodů, nikoli čtverců, je ale jednoduchá změna.)

I think it’s more about using different editors, different settings and of course education of new mappers, not about the database schema…

It is nice to read about a community success. I enjoyed it, too. Thank you for the translation.

Thank you for your positive comments. It is nice to see that I am not alone in these thoughts. You probably do not hear this too often (maybe because you are busy telling others), so – you are doing a great job. You are making the world a better place. Thank you. Please, keep up the good work.

I wrote a sort of retrospective diary and did not mention the thing I am most proud of (and had nothing to do with). Let me correct that little mistake in this comment. What I find most fascinating about Missing Maps CZ & SK is that there are mapathons not only in Prague. There are regular mapathons in other cities, too! I am sure the stories of Radim and Daniel (Brno), Antonin (Olomouc) and Milo (all of Slovakia, actually) would be even more inspiring, especially because they could talk about real experiences organizing mapathons without access to exclusive locations, an established core team or both.

Thank you for suggestion. However, I will leave the colors for contributors. I am not going to fight that fight :)

Nice! Let me know if I can help somehow :)

I wrote about how the damn project could be used for the Tanga Buliding Footprints Import last year. I am grateful for any kind of testing of the damn project.

Small note about the buildings_tool: you may draw circle buildings with that plugin, too. Switch between circle buildings by Alt + Z and rectangular buildings by Alt + R.

You may be also interested in the mapathoner plugin: https://qeef.gitlab.io/mapathoner/ but it depends on the use-case.

I have more and more feeling that HOT is for OpenStreetMap what GitHub is for git. It is a shame.

It would be something outside of OSM, not directly on OSM.

Yes.

But I don’t see why one thing leads to the other.

In my opinion, this would suite an owner because an owner doesn’t need to understand OSM from the contributor perspective. Moreover, OSM would be free from “spammed” notes. There will be some kind of buffer that enables owners sending information in a format they understand, then maybe automatically process the information, and create the list of POIs to import for mappers in a format the mappers understand.

I believe the first this we should think about is how a hypothethic shop owner even learns about OSM and these tools to add their business. Most people don’t know of us.

You are completely right but I don’t think I’m able to help with that.

The point is to strictly differ between an owner and an OSM contributor.

Why? If anyone can edit all of the map, without any restrictions, why make that distinction?

I can imagine a situation when an owner wants his company in OSM but doesn’t want to become an OSM contributor. In other words, an owner wants to improve OSM but only by adding his own business, without the hassle of learning how to do that. I believe this diary is about such an use-case.

I should point out all the solutions are WWW based, too.

Oh I didn’t realize that was the point. But I still fail to see the connection between being a website and SEOs coming to waste mappers’ time. Wouldn’t the same happen if they were made to send the details by SMS or email?

From onosm.org GitHub: > The result is written to an anonymous OpenStreetMap Note.

So in fact ONOSM exploits (I’m not sure this is right wording, I don’t mean it necessary in a negative connotation,) anonymous notes where should be the POI mapping. My proposed workflow keeps track of POIs in a separated database that can be used as the dataset to import, keeping not-yet-ready data apart from the OSM.

SMS and email are just other sources besides the WWW. It should be trivial, from the architecture perspective, to extend support for bots for any chat platform (IRC, Matrix, Slack, Discord, …) or even add call/voice messages processing (GSM, SIP, Skype, …)

All the solutions here needs OSM account

Not really I think. The editor can have an account of its own for anonymous users.

The point is to strictly differ between an owner and an OSM contributor.

What’s the difference from https://www.onosm.org ?

I should point out all the solutions are WWW based, too. BTW, see the TomH’s comment.

How do you get an owner to submit their business?

That’s the question. All the solutions here needs OSM account which makes the onwner also an OSM contributor.

Why it wouldn’t be possible to submit their business by email? Or SMS? Ideally localised? Then, the received messages would became issues, and the list of issues possible source for POI import.

Of course, we can discuss about automatic processing of received messages, but that’s the second round.

Once you open it in JOSM, make sure you keep it in a separate layer apart from the OSM data

I tested it with imported GeoJSON file and it looks like that right click on new layer and Convert to GPX layer does the trick.

Johnwhelan: thanks for the inspiration, I wrote the similar diary for the Divide and map. Now.