Sometimes I did so. But some don't remember anymore (as it was on holidays), some have left the region, some don't care etc. So a "fixme" is "to whom it may concern and is interested in this region"

Hi Polarbear, so please define when an "e.V." is NOT a club : "A club is an association of two or more people united by a common interest or goal. A service club, for example, exists for voluntary or charitable activities; [...], political and religious clubs, and so forth." osm.wiki/Key:club
Would a chess club count as "sociable" ? Is a computer club an "association" ? osm.wiki/Key:club

Komisch, die haben gar keine angegeben. Ob die wohl wirklich existieren ? osm.org/node/8210579005

Öffnungszeiten und Telefonnummer sind wohl auch verschütt gegangen.

Die auf der Homepage erwähnten, war mit motorcycle:parts=used erfasst "Sollten Sie gebrauchte Motorradteile suchen, können wir auch hier weiterhelfen." (rechte Seite) https://www.2radservice.com osm.org/node/2272027448/history

Und Motorradteile dabei vergessen ?

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=%3Arepair

Aucun autre utilise "service" sauf "bicycle : osm.wiki/Tag:shop%3Drental
Et la aussi au moins quelques-uns croient que ca ne vaut rien :
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/bicycle:rental

Tu as vu ca ? osm.wiki/User_talk:Chris-ren

Pourquoi ?

J'allais demander ici : repaircafe@mjclorraine.com https://repairgrandnancy.fr/#contact
Mais il y a encore d'autres : https://repairgrandnancy.fr/les-repair-cafe/

Gleicher Grund wie beim letzten Mal, Vereinfachung des namespaces. Eine Konsolidierung hätte schon vor Jahren angestossen werden können : https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-May/036119.html

Das Problem ist, dass sich die namespaces unterscheiden. Hier z.B. motorcycle und bicycle. Der "service" prefix hat leider null Funktion. Ein anderes Problem ist, dass das im Wiki niemanden zu interessieren scheint. Beispielsweise ist der namespace für car noch wilder : https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-May/036119.html

Take a closer look at those fantasy values : https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=service%3Avehicle

And which were the consequences for the undiscussed ID change ? Your argumentation is that of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll#Concern_troll, probably in your case as you just know this "culture"

Yes, the introduction to ID editor is certainly pushing them, but does it therefore make more sense ? Nobody takes care of a clear syntax, there are even elements avoiding this in the wiki, It really looks like sabotage, while I think the ID editors just didn't think about their change and meanwhile probably don't want to admit it was an error. So what's your idea to get this problem solved ? Mine is to inform "the rest of the world" (about 7 million) that there's something completely wrong with the "established" regulations

Just to get your logic : if the ID Admins introduce (undiscussed) a real mess and it's ignored for several years, that's "established" ? But to align a syntax to the common one is unwanted ?

That's the problem with OSM : Several just tell the others to "discuss it first" (instead of a constructive input). This way the mess will just continue for another decade, avoiding progress in the syntax (and diversity of entries in general). The ignorance regarding the above mentioned car prefix just showed those communication tools aren't working. Most people therefore will abstain from participating in such unproductive skirmish and try do do "their thing". As an overview is missing and for a single person it consumes a lot of time to get one, this leads to a mess as in the vehicle example. it's not understandable that a syntax which is usual in other cases should be discussed again from scratch for bicycle and car.

I wouldn't say it's "unused", see https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=bicycle%3A

I would also be in favor of a standardized namespace for vehicle tags, but it seems those on the mailing list aren't :
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-May/036119.html

This is especially confusing for shops which offer services for several vehicle types (or other products). So if you'd like to contribute to a solution, I's be very interested. What would you recommend ?

So what do you mean by "clean description" ?