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138687945 about 2 years ago

Okey, I'll revert the miskates. Would you please explain me for non-native basic traffic rules about speed limits also? I have seen so far pretty erratic driving from vehicles and I could not figure out the logic behind which speed I should choose while outside of the city.

138572557 about 2 years ago

Lampidel olevad nimed läksid küll väga nihhu ja on nüüd parandatud.

41347652 about 2 years ago

This recycling is in weird area. Is there truthly any recycling inside the forrest?

128581603 about 2 years ago

Hi, Im on vacation in the middle of nowhere. Cant fix it right now for another week at least.

137200757 about 2 years ago

Im not so sure that it should be supermarket. Prehaps it is simple grocery store despite building size. Looking at street photos, it looks to be just Grossi Toidupood which definetly is not mall but it was marked as mall before me. Simple fix but I will be passing by that shop in few weeks and can take a glimpse on what it exactly is.
I'll set it as a grocery shop for now.

43095703 over 2 years ago

Yes, searched for it a little. Its estonian language but references I think could be found even more so.
Landing happened on the year 2015. A10 planes landed and there were some damages to at least one plane because the landing track is in severely bad condition besides all the debris on the track. You wont find any info on what really went wrong but at that time I was serving and it happened to be where these planes situated so the story reached even to us mere military mortals that during landing one of the plane wheelbase got little damage from all those bumps and debris on the landing track. Of course media will say everything went good and fine but it didnt went exactly 100% perfectly and it was expected knowing the severe condition of the landing track.

https://www.err.ee/550483/usa-rundelennukid-maandusid-kiltsi-lennuvaljal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT24t1_Q9Gk

Hopefully the landing track will be somewhat updated or maybe it already was because during year 2017 there were plans on fixing at least some of the landing track for small planes. Full length of the track is 2,5km. Planned fix was about something of 800m. Havent been there for a long while, dont know much more besides few years back of the stuff.

43095703 over 2 years ago

No, it is not used for aviation per se altho I know at least one trial of landing on it in modern times few years ago which ended not so well for the plane... Anyway, its used more for ground troops training rather than for aviation. Whole area is used not for the purpose of aviation but for other things.
Speed limit on the roads is 50km/h per Kaitseliit Lääne Malevkond web page and whole area is restricted so that for use you need to ask permission from Kaitseliit. Of course none of the civil people ask it and just go hang out around there.

43095703 over 2 years ago

Saw fix me tag on it when this change was added. No, it is not disused at all. Kaitseliit is using it, Kaitsevägi is using it for training all year round. This area maybe could be changed to military usage but it is definetly not abandoned or disused.

134149762 over 2 years ago

Hello!
I am a bit confused now then because whenever foot=designated and bicycle=designated happen to be used on jalgratta- ja jalgtee at the same time, it is converted to cycle way which is incorrect since we dont have cycle ways in Estonia besides few kilometers in very specific places. At the same time using same tags on informal path, rada, kõnnitee, jalgtee etc does not convert them to cycle way or jalgratta- ja jalgtee.
Checked today there that at least some of them are indeed jalgratta- ja jalgtee but then I dont see point in using dedicated tags of bicycle=designated and foot=designated because when using jalgratta- ja jalgtee as a way, it does not have the bicycle=designated tag by default and adding it coverts it to cycle way which is not correct name for the way and does not really represent what in reality it is.
Hence the jalgtee and using tags bicycle=designated and foot=designated.
Not a problem to change highway=footway to something else but its a bit confusing when the tags change the way into something that is complitely different in reality. Is it just OSM quirks? Because of such quirk I think I made the changes accordingly

133481849 over 2 years ago

Unusta ära... Kõigest ID kaardirakenduse redigeerimise tööriist teeb huvitavaid nalju...

133481849 over 2 years ago

See tee on jalgratta- ja jalgtee, mitte jalgrattatee nagu ta hetkel muudetud on. Meil jätkuvalt Tallinnas on heal juhul 9km reaalseid jalgrattateid kokku. Ülejäänud on vanad head "kergliiklusteed" ehk jalgratta- ja jalgteed...

132928261 over 2 years ago

There are many more trails in there according to this (1.8km, 2.7km, 3km, 5km, 5.4km, 9km):
https://terviserajad.ee/rajad/kardla-palukula-palade-terviserada/

Added 2.7km path and relation.

Same thing on heat map:
https://www.strava.com/heatmap#15.97/22.80057/58.99033/hot/all

134425254 over 2 years ago

Avastasin siin Käsmu kandis infotahvleid vaadates, et paljudel tahvlitel on kakskeelne pealkiri. Siin aga tuleb tõdeda, et name on parem, sest name on võimalik mitmekeelseks teha ehk name:en name:lt, name:rus jne. Board:title paraku ei saa ja jääb siis ükskeelseks. Siin aga tekib veike probleem siis, mille tõttu kaldun name kasutamiseks. Kui just ei ole teada kuidas board:title:en või muud sarnast teha.

134425254 over 2 years ago

Näikse, et pole mingile konkreetsele kokkuleppele jõunud sel teemal konkreetselt nende siltide puhul. Tõstatab teema foorumisse, et leida ühine kuldne kesktee üles?

134425254 over 2 years ago

Antud hetkel ei ole tagging for the renderer olukord nagu kirjeldasid ala Kõpu tuletorni suunaviidale sama tekst kirja panna name lahtrisse, et siis see renderdus oleks ka kaardil olemas ja näeks välja nagu dublikaat Kõpu tuletorni tegelikust asukohast.
Antud hetkel iga säärane infosilt on tõesti nagu teos omaette, lihtsalt nendel kõigil on ühine nimetus 100 lugu matkateelt ja igal sildil on siis teksti pealkiri erinev koos erineva tekstiga. Lisaks nagu olen aru saanud, siis need sada lugu on üks osa matkateest, mis peaksid moodustama koos matkateega mingil määral terviku.
Samas nõustun, et pelgalt name ja board:title võib selles kontekstis jätta muljet, et tegemist ühe ja sama asjaga.

Kas on ehk mingit näidet olemas üle Eesti või ehk ka mõnest muust riigist, kus võis olla sarnane olukord, et vaadata kuidas seal see asi lahendati ära mõistlikult?

134425254 over 2 years ago

Selle järjekorra numbri võiks vast siis juba ka lisada, et asi arusaadavamaks muutks ka kaardil. Näiteks name="100 lugu matkateelt | 1" või mingil muul viisil. Peaks vist ühe scriptiga saama seda lisada ka, sest kõik nad eraldi lisatud ja ajaliselt järjestikuliselt kah.

134425254 over 2 years ago

Okey, change it up then as you want. I'll continue mapping the remaining boards with same scheme.

134425254 over 2 years ago

I guess the URL should just be https://rmk100.ee/? If so, fine by me, only 85 boards to update :P Last 15 I'll correct URL depending on how you would like to do it. Let me know so that last 15 boards URL wont be in need of updating.

134425254 over 2 years ago

Well, this is how the board actually looks like. All of the 100 boards have exact same styling:
https://et.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail:100_lugu_matkateelt_-_Kautla.jpg

The 100 lugu matkateelt is the class of the boards in this case. There are 100 boards with short texts of historical importance. Its not just a title of the board, nor its just one board with such title, its a class or collection of board texts. Basically like a book's main title and then you have titles of each chapter. Of course you can say that the book has a title and each chapter has not title but a book subtitle, but at the same time you can say that the book has a name and each chapter within the book has a title, not subtitle of the book.

Looking at the OSM wiki about name=*:
osm.wiki/Key:name

"As a rule of thumb, the primary name would be the most obvious name of the feature, the one that end users expect data consumers to expose in a label or other interface element."

In this case the "100 lugu matkateelt" is the most prominent name of these boards. As I said, its not just some board or street sign, its the class of boards in this case. Like a book title.
Since its not just one board but 100 boards, its good to have them not as separate entities but as one collection of boards with board:title=* as each board text titles.

Then again, lets take a book example. Book title is the book name. What is the difference between title and name in this case? Same thing with this type of boards. You have a board name and you have a board title, which one is the name and which one is the title? Remember, they are not separate entities right now, the 100 stories are one single entity, like a book with its stories.

Another perspective: Looking at the map and seeing "100 stories from hiking trail" is pretty much more striking and gives a way to curiosity rather than just seeing "1941 - Kautla lahing". The first gives a way to explore more what it exactly is as far as to find the full collection of the stories, the latter is just a point in time with a board and giving quite zero information besides a fact that there was such battle and most likely the viewer wont even get to know that there are 99 more stories. Even more so, it could be mistaken for just a point where exactly the battle happened. Hence "the most prominent name" aka "100 lugu matkateelt" for name=* tag and board:title="1941 - Kautla lahing" for the title of the text that is inscribed on the board.

Tsitating: "Generally, an information board describes some subject that exists independent of the board. The fact that a board carries a name of a nearby object (or some other text) does not necessarily make this name also into a name of a board."

By this definition the 1941 - Kautla lahing is not in the name and is in the board:title, so basically JOKK?

Then again, you probably could bind them together using relation, naming that relation "100 lugu matkateelt" and then give each board the relation and board:title="1941 - Kautja lahing". This would essentially create third way how to mark them.

The fourth way could be name="100 lugu matkateelt", board:title="54", board:subtitle="1941 - Kautja lahing". Could not find board:subtitle=* tag but I guess there is something that can substitute it.

I propose here to use "100 lugu matkateelt" for a name and "1941 - Kautja lahing" for a board:title. Alternatively we could ask for help for third view on this marking problem.

134425254 over 2 years ago

Checked both of these tags and it looks like I need to use them both at the same time in this context of boards. In this particular case "100 lugu matkateelt" is name=* since its very broad classification of object by its name and "1931 - Sagadi metskonnast sai üks esimesest neljast katsemetskonnast" is the board:title=* since its the particular name of the board itself.
The latter I have put to description but it felt not right even at that moment. I'll fix that up once I map all the 100 stories on the hiking trail.