OpenStreetMap
Local updates to reflect area
Дасланы BrickViking 22 Кастрычнік 2010 на English. Апошняе абнаўленьне 28 Кастрычнік 2010.I noticed these streets weren't in the OpenStreetMap database, so I added them from my own knowledge, using GoogleMaps and KiwiMaps data for correlation and to check spelling. I also added some of the local amenities, at least ones where there are icons I can use.
Changes include the following:
* addition of Glenconnor Place at the end of Cossar Street, as Cossar Street doesn't actually go around the corner.
* Change of roundabout into traffic lights. As yet, I haven't seen this on any satellite maps of the area, but I know the work was done as I've been through the intersection several times over the past three months.
* Addition of street names for the street I live in, and adjoining streets. Their placements are unchanged, as they were already in the OSM database, except for the aforementioned Glenconnor Place. My comment below about Baynes Place is actually incorrect, I meant to write Glenconnor, but had a forgetful moment.
* addition of local shops and a postal box in their approximate positions. I can't
plot accurately, as my GPS software on my iPAQ requires a network connection to work, and that's a GoogleMaps application. I'm currently trying to get GPS plus Navit (an application for the PocketPC series) to work sanely, but I'll let you know what luck I have.
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Камэнтар Ainsworth ад 23 Кастрычнік 2010 у 08:41
Hi,
You musn't use googlemaps as a datasource, please read this:
osm.wiki/Copyright
Камэнтар Sanderd17 ад 23 Кастрычнік 2010 у 09:29
Sorry, but your streets will have to be removed, you mustn't use google maps as said above. Once you removed the streets, you can track them with a GPS, the GPS trace is the evidence you were there and you really mapped them yourself.
Камэнтар marscot ад 23 Кастрычнік 2010 у 11:44
I agree, also Google maps have errors like wrong street names and roads that don`t connect to the right road, which we don`t want added. Please do add to the map but not using maps that are in copyright.
Камэнтар compdude ад 24 Кастрычнік 2010 у 03:56
DO NOT copy from google maps or any other map that has a copyright! This is not only illegal but there's a possibility that google maps may be wrong.
Камэнтар derKuchen ад 24 Кастрычнік 2010 у 08:54
In those cases it's much better to map missing streets by instinct. Especially if you don't have a gps. Just tag them with 'FIXME=vague position' and all will be fine.
Камэнтар BrickViking ад 26 Кастрычнік 2010 у 02:43
The street positions have already been plotted in the OpenMap, however I needed to check their spelling against two other reputable sources. Also, I note that a roundabout on the corner of Travis Road and Burwood road has become a set of traffic lights. This work was done about three months ago, so won't have shown up on the most recent satellite imagery available.
I apologise for having to use other sources for verification, but what else do I use?
Thanks for your replies.
Камэнтар BrickViking ад 26 Кастрычнік 2010 у 02:46
To make it slightly clearer, what was missing in OSM was the street names, not their positions (although I have had to move points for Baynes because Cossar Street doesn't go around the corner, it heads into Baynes Place). The positions were fine, except the one example I've provided. As for shop names, I've eyeballed those myself, so I know that if those are incorrect, then so is their signage.
Камэнтар BlueMM ад 27 Кастрычнік 2010 у 07:51
You can't verify the names with other sources, unless they are public domain or license is suitable for OSM. I see it as the whole point of OSM, if people add or verify (& potentially change) data from copyrighted sources, it's tainted & not really free anymore. It also makes the efforts of all the OSM people "doing it the right way" seem cheated :P
In Melbourne we were using out-of-copyright maps from Melbourne Metro Board of Works (water utility). But visiting the streets and noting the name is the way to go (grabbing a photo of the street sign is ultimate - proof that you were there & got the name directly from the sign).
Камэнтар BrickViking ад 28 Кастрычнік 2010 у 21:52
Right you are. Did that last night for two of the streets I've added, but now I have a problem. We have a couple of new streets in our area that aren't on the Yahoo satellite picture (as that was done back in 2006 or so), but as I don't seem to have GPS working yet, I can't add any plots. What would you advise? Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I haven't actually seen a list of those yet.
I can certainly take photos of street signs, and if I was insane, I could even take a whole series of photographs. My problem about photos is mis-registration (scale, x/y/z, field-of-view, the whole measurement thing) so I've been wary of that whole idea.
Cheers.
Камэнтар Rovastar ад 1 Лістапад 2010 у 04:50
What on earth is wrong with verifying?
There is nothing wrong with that at all.
I know from mailing list chats years ago many are paranoid about copyright sources but there is nothing at all with checking it with what you think is the correct street name.
If you get a situation where the names are different you can recheck this yourself.
And taking photos of the street signs is way over the top, what are you people on?
If you know of the streets you could guestimate the locations of them in certain scenerios. e.g. A new road that connects road a to road b and certain points in a straight line. Again I would see nothing wrong, and I cannot imagine legally how anything can be wrong with verifying this with other sources, as long as you don't change anything.
The purists will no doubt pipe up again now but if someone can state legally why this breaks any copyright I am all ears. I am so confused why you make it so difficult for yourselves at times.