Hi,
because of the comment in this ( osm.org/user/Detructor/diary/1709#comments ) thread from TomH I wanted to ask if it is allowed to use online map sites (such as http://maps.google.com ) to get the name of a street?!
greetings
detructor
OpenStreetMap
Hi,
because of the comment in this ( osm.org/user/Detructor/diary/1709#comments ) thread from TomH I wanted to ask if it is allowed to use online map sites (such as http://maps.google.com ) to get the name of a street?!
greetings
detructor
토론
2008년 5월 27일 08:08에 andrewpmk님의 의견
Absolutely no. You must visit them yourself. Copying from Google or other online map sites constitutes copyright infringement.
2008년 5월 27일 08:21에 Detructor님의 의견
wait, you get me wrong:
I track the streets myself.
But often I forget the name of the street or I can't remember exactly.
Can I visit (in this case) maps.google.com and take (only!!!!) the name(!) of the street?
2008년 5월 27일 08:25에 PhilippeP님의 의견
No , because of the copyright crap ... and because of the voluntary errors found in these...
(In any case , cross referencing is always best ...)
2008년 5월 27일 08:37에 Detructor님의 의견
?so the map creators have a copyright on the names of the streets?
...in that case I don't can insert any name into OSM...
2008년 5월 27일 08:43에 photohiker님의 의견
Sure you can. Just record the name of the street as you track it with your GPS. Pencil and paper, photo or audio will all work.
2008년 5월 27일 09:10에 Detructor님의 의견
but...as Phillippe wrote "No , because of the copyright crap"
so if the online map services have a copyright on the street names, I can't insert them into OSM...there is no difference between the names at the online map service and the names at the streets...if on one is a copyright, it is on the other, too.
2008년 5월 27일 09:14에 TomH님의 의견
This is a very complicated area - in theory the name of the street is a fact and not subject to copyright. It is however subject to database right in countries (like EU countries) which have that - database right protects a collection of data even if that data is factual and making a substantial extract (for some value of substantial) of that collection of data is not allowed.
In addition there is the problem that these mapping site will put in deliberately misnamed streets and things to detect copying - those incorrect names are arguably not facts and hence subject to copyright protection if you copy them.
The critical point however is that it doesn't really matter what the law actually says - if the site you are using wants to start a legal argument then we can't afford to defend ourselves so we have to avoid doing anything that might even possibly lead to such an argument.
2008년 5월 27일 11:54에 SuborbitalPigeon님의 의견
The only reason the real name and the copyrighted map's names are supposed to be the same is because their map's right for that particular road.
Just because someone says that the road I live on is "Montrose Drive", doesn't mean any knowledge of that name is also under copyright.
2008년 5월 27일 12:37에 PhilippeP님의 의견
Cross referencing from different map services(look that they don't use the same source provider , there's not a lot of them) , and paper maps (a lot of municipalities, cities gives those to their residents) should filter the Copyright Easter Eggs out ...
2008년 5월 27일 13:28에 spaetz님의 의견
1) Yes it's debatable whether the fact that a street is "miller street" is copyrightable
2) What is not debatable is that drawing (even public domain) data in large amounts out of somebody elses database is prohibited in some areas of the world. So there you go already.
3) What is also not debatable is that if you copy somebody elses mistakes from a map (and there are plenty) then you break their copyright
4) Their Terms of Service plainly prohibit derivative works. You could argue that this is invalid, bu you don't want to be sued by Google, even if you are right.
5) It's just much more fun (and healthier) to go out and check the streetnames yourself.
2008년 5월 27일 14:12에 Detructor님의 의견
2nd yes, I know
3rd I know
4th ;) yep^^
5th hmmm...it is not healthie when you track street with a high amount of traffic ;) or try to read the ****** ** streetnames (need new glasses...but I'm to lazy to buy new glasses)
2008년 6월 1일 20:34에 smsm1님의 의견
Alternatively buy a camera with a good zoom lens (e.g. 10x zoom) and then you can take a picture and zoom into it on the computer (or camera) to read the name. I use a Panasonic DMC-TZ3, which is excellent for reading signs that I can't read due to the sin being too far away.
2008년 6월 1일 20:51에 Detructor님의 의견
I've a camera...but the problem is here in GermanyN/Niedersachsen you often don't have a sign at secondary roads...and even no number...