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Thank you for the infomation. I’ll look at some of the options in a spare moment (seems time flys be me so fast witht the serveys backing up awaiting to to be entered..)

I think that it might have taken me time several months before I found I had a profile section on the websight as I just started editing straight away so spent the time in the editor interface instead most of the time. It also took a while till I found out about mapping without presets too for similar reasons. So guess I may not have noticed the agregation straight away and So when I noticed it it felt like a new thing {so that clears that on up}.

In a sence these entries are my very condensed writeings about my activities as using them and the other parts of the profile system you can tack with a lot of detail what things I’ve been concentrating on.

I terms of ordering things about its not as easy as the wiki but if a high proportion of stuff is time time linked in terms of data contributions, servying and reasurching places etc I find things aren’t so hard to find and thay get well clustered into topics by time frame.

I will get a wiki site made but it will be a while as I see the clock ticking even as I write this… though the extra login is a time eater when in a rush I get used to it in a while.

—-~~~~ Now back to mapping those shop layouts…

These aren’t supposed to be added to the user blog but they are added into my user diary as this is the only option in the profile to take user working mapping notes (yes I did try all the other combernations…). Originally these stayed in my profile and others visited the user profiles to read them. Someone felt that it would be a good aidea to collect and create a system diary with everyones diary entries automaticly and publish a promernernt link to it on the main map page so everyone can follow them easily. Some people seem to then have become self-concious of system data added into their own diarys gaining such a wide readership while others have taken the opertunity to start useing it as a mass communication platform instead. Personaly if the system wants to put my notes into such a secondary display then I’m not too bothered though not all such entries are going to be of much use to others. …and given an option I guess I’d opt out of any agregate display that people want to use for mass communication for most of my diary links (though I have recieved some encoraging feedback from some users that pointed me to other related areas I didn’t know about which was useful for those concerned with that topic covered).

My need is to take copy and pasted referances to things I’m using while mapping which I can use when I log into openstreetmap. Now to clarify I use semi-public workstations that have there harddrives wiped clean when i leave the desk and I could be using any one of several tens of thousands of computers with verying specs and access permisions and short of spending ages with a pen and losing some as security gards move me on cuting and pasting to osm user profile system under something that is supposed to be a diry system of the user makes a neet solution. Till of course people start trying to convert it to a to system wide blog.

Therefore I feel the idea of “me misusing user blog” would be better stated that: “The system blog is misusing my user diary entries!”

I’m not sure where these other pages are though I did find by accident someone with a page about themselves on the wiki manual that suprised me at first, so I guess that was what you ment. My time is oftern quite short and I tr to optermise it for mapping so havent tried setting one up yet. Though again is a wiki a good place to put system page links like this (how easy are they changed won’t the wiki need to be used more for offering tagging infomation rater than a jumble of links back to itself and outside with zero annotation for wiki readers)?

I did think about adding them to the osm map or the map notes system instead of the profile but thats an even worse idea than the reast.

If theres a way to make diary entries or note system user orintated and stay on the profile and not leek out to a secondary system then be happy to try it.

Is the user page the MarkusHD the same a something on the wiki tagging manual or is this somewhere else? If so a URL link would help (as I’ve looked in vain so far).

-Thank you for your help.

• European Union information
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@jremillard I like your thinking. If we figure out a good schema for the relations ref’s first then role it out and use a semi-automatic tool to find a help migrate especially when things become splintered too much and it becomes a big chore otherwise. I that the first rollings out will need to be dual then an announcement then the old now duplicated tags are removed of the ways (making them leaner and easier to handle). The short gap gives time for data users to test out new formatting codes on the new relations before the old ref’s start leaving and the data users can parse for both and not have any side-effect if either of options is on its own.

correction above I used an “of” instead of an “or” in third paragraph.

I’ve been thinking on this for a a while and Sanderd17 dose have a view but some of the ideas aren’t as universally true across the continent of Europe as whole the UK was like the one number system but it dose have a mess for some routes that shunt major routes though towns and so one even large one either has to disappear or the local authority (its there choice as they make most non-strategic road network signs) decides to add both for some half a mile or less to avoid though traffic confusion. The UK has also been spending much of the last century re-developing its road system and so a nice system in the 1920’s doesn’t equate well in the present so the A34 used to run from the Hampshire coast to Manchester {after being extended I think in the 1930’s old was similar to this } (I don’t know if it ever made it further north) but there are three highly separated parts at least :- M3-M40 A section running into Birmingham centre and one from central Manchester south. But that doesn’t have the problem suggested as the chopping and traffic diversion was the official solution.

There rights of way issue was a local mapping problem in Oxford with a bridleway number becoming rendered as a road number as it was defined not only in highway legislation but originally in rights of way legislation so in the absence of an assigned number for that stretch of road it was automaticly mapped as the great “320/30/10” from the great “Glanville Road” to exit of the “Oxford Spires Academy” car park and a path leading to a paddock {now disused due to intimidation of the horses by the local children from the new estate and the academy when the fences were changed} and a park!

Its a bit of a wide misconception that the EU is somehow responsible for E numbering in Europe - it isn’t and never was. It actually is the quiet effect of the local offices of the United Nations that set them up and works with countries to implement the plans. In this respect the EU is just another country of level of planning bureaucracy to liaise with. The EU has money and plans (see Trans-Europen-Motorways) of its own but the numbering is a UN co-ordinated effort. Both the EU and the UN attempt to do a similar role for major railways and the EU also used to do waterway traffic too.

As the UN is global the some other local offices have looked a copying the idea and so Vietnam proposed to bring a scheme into Asia (originally known as the Asian Highway). So AH roads can now be found at the ends of West-East E roads. For example you can drive from Cork in Ireland on the E30 and with a couple of ferry links can find the road turning into the AH6 as you go through the Urals (I think they overlap a lot locally) and then follow the road though all the way to Busan in the south of South Corea ready for a ferry to Japan!

The Americas has a sort of Pan-American highway system though south American and into the North American systems and Africa also has some semblances of a pan-African system (cold-war stirrings of coups, civil wars and economic problems hampered it a lot but transcontinental road traffic is big business there now).

Making a system that is universal adoptable makes it simpler for data users to get useful consistency. An end to simple ref ‘ing here an prow-ref there and near random misuses of varieties desc and name don’t in the end help the simplifying consistency aim.

Relations are still new to some people and to be fair the whole of OSM is new to others being only around a decade old (when is the party date?) but if we learn from the ad-hoc past and properly plan some world wide consistent uses for the likes with ref’s and joining up roads splintered by parking, lanes and areaised traffic islands. Before parts feel they really need it and other go on doing it differently again (like as now). We could produce a better end database for everyone in the future.

In such a good spirit I hope to formally get all my evolved tagging developments properly into the main wiki-manual soon too.

I think multilunguagal forms have been used with some seperation char in places in europe that recieved two equal names localy (I think the example came from a belgian contributer) but often things get entered in one language. I think the rule of thumb is what you expect to see on a local sign for local people (ie not just for torist convienance) or if say a restraunt uses a deliberate bilingual form so that it forms a single language all to itself in the default to help people it is common to then add the full translations in the single language forms in sub-langauge tags so mono-lingual reads get the whole name.

In simple terms you can have multiple languages in the defualt but you need a bit of a better reason than it is just translated for forigners convienance as thats what the other tags do.

Thank you for your contributions. Your dificulties sound familiar to mapping in the densely mapped parts I work in like central Oxford and here though it looks like someones started to move the buildings in Temple street off the road or vice versa. The building used to be on different offsets when try drawing the sidewalks so I took a set offset that seemed to be fairly accurate to a national import and standardised the area’s new sidewalks I added to it traceing arial photos both the basic in the editor and side views from bing’s bird view especially under trees and site visits to get a good line even through heavy shadow and low resultions (I’m fixing to distances of around about a dekameter (10cm) if I can.

Area maping the roads might be a way down on your to do, but they do have a fixing affect on offsets as long as the backgound image dosn’t warp much (see the recent diary note on japanese roads & here). They can be easy for mappers to adjust to. They can be present for long length through the map. and moden ones might have smooth lines either with markings at: the centre, kerbings or drains etc. that help with a site vist to help you deal with wrinkles.

Well you hope it may add to the help even if it feels a way into the future with so many other corrections to handle first.

At least youwon’t need to be dealing with bleeding edge tagging styles that others aguee for a bit about, for while too.

-Good luck

ps. If you everfind yourself puzzling over area highways and the like in the future let me know and I’ll try to help you out with were its reached by then…

This is a good suggestion it was a nightmare on my first edits trying to int-ref tags to the M27. As routing lines are going to get evenmore cutup in the uk at least if we start spliting all the parkbay rule changes and lane and width changes that there is presure for (Hilltop road near the large park called south park in Oxford UK, EU is due to be split into 30-50 parts and its only a few 100 meters long!) Also this could solve problems that croped up in other parts of the uk with the rights-of-way system clashing with the road numbering for highway purposes (independent legislation and sometimes seperate local authority departments in carge of them). Its true you can create new forms of ref but oftern these are made with little advertisement to end users or even original contributers in some known cases leading to rendering breaks that don’t get spotted sometimes till complaints come back form users of finished maps. Using relations alows multiple equal priority (who the ref tag right of way, cycleroute or highway or even waterway code ref in some places of towpaths and the like, not to mention any campus ref’s that might try to get overlaied). I know expanding ref forms solves a lot of problems and tring to tag the relation as to what a ref is a type of needs explaing in the tagging of the ref, but the fact that editing long routes downloading full routes and routeing to a set route is improved with the binding effect of the relation is a good thing. Relations also offer capacity to add multiple discriptive and note tags and aid in OHM with time ralated notes.

If we had controlled the development of ref alternatives rather than some being altered without warning we could handle thing with those but relations offer more and solve more so agree with the original author that they should get supported more and begining being used.

->robert:- in id select a way to include go to the bottom of the way setings pannel on the left of the screen click on the arrow to open the relation editng sub-part if not already expanded chose a new relation or pick one you have made for the previous way that shows in the list of local relations(id picks local ones so you may need to zoom out and around so it picks it up in the list -working from the end of one way to the next should be sufficent for id to work in most cases)

selecting a pre made one just adds it to the list clicking on the relations name in the tag box brings up the relations settings editing pane similar to other feature where you add new tags look at other members of the relation and the relation to a superseting relation (one with the current relation as a mere member to the beiger relation.

chosing new lets you name it then you canmove on or click on its name like above and start tagging and adding to larger relations.

I hope that gives you a start

as for the tags I’d look at copying the E05 (aka A34) or E30 (aka M4) near the city of Oxford, UK, Europe which mainly only show in relations mainly. or try the locations that the original author has been working on, if my suggestions are currently in bad repair.

Oh I nerly forgot the ghost lanes this is were people regularly drive or stop on one of sides [or middle] of a marked single lane that is actally wide enough for three busses to pass each other on. Its something to do with freedom to stop while not over regimenting the road space’s use. Sometimes 5 or six ghost lanes run without even a middle line a buses stop two abrest on both sides and the cars, taxis and cycles weave though gaps!